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China's Linux industry considers mega-merger
InfoWorld ^ | August 25, 2005 | Sumner Lemon

Posted on 08/27/2005 7:10:39 AM PDT by Golden Eagle

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To: N3WBI3
I know you really, really want Novell to fail (so much for supporting American Business) but it does not look like thats whats going to happen...

I'm all for American business making it; however, I believe Novell would pretty much be considered a failure. Until they make it as big as they once were (or at least in the same ball park), they should be considered a failure.

Will they have a revival...maybe...a long shot wins the race every once and a while. But this is an argument best left for the stock market. If you think they'll win bet on them. If you think they'll lose bet against them. And if you just don't know...stay away.

21 posted on 08/27/2005 10:03:54 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Golden Eagle; N3WBI3
I'm confused. Since it's all OSS aren't they are partners by default. My code is your code and your code is mine?

Or is there some special part of the license I don't understand that makes my code your code, and your code only your code?

I guess a partnership in OSS would actually be a bad thing as you are dwindling the competitiion to see who can write the best OSS code that everyone else can try and find a way to make money on.

22 posted on 08/27/2005 10:08:31 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: N3WBI3; ShadowAce; Tribune7; frogjerk; Salo; LTCJ; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Buck W.; clyde asbury; ...

Big 'Ol OSS ping.


23 posted on 08/27/2005 10:10:15 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

LINUX BAD!!

LINUX BAD!!!!!!!!!!

I see Golden DoDo has visited us already this morning


24 posted on 08/27/2005 10:13:06 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (It's called having class.....)
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To: Golden Eagle
If I were a linux fanatic like you, I'd place my bets on this new "Chinese Red Flag" bit financed by their government. They'll make sure it doesn't go under.

Actually that makes a lot of sense. Since Linux distros keep getting bought and sold as companies try to find a way to make money off it, but keep failing. Getting your distro from a gov't backed version would mean it has a longer term support. And what country is better at pirating software than China, it's just this time they found a "legal" way to do it. Since they don't want to pay for their OS, they'd rather force ("pay") their local commies to write their OS for them. The good news is all the OSS fans will get a long term support of Linux. Of course calling to the Chicoms for support may be a bitter pill to swallow.

I bet some of that windows source code ends up in Linux one day, and then all that "free" software will cost the companies millions.

25 posted on 08/27/2005 10:15:51 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: SolarisRocks
Does it upset you that Microsoft has released the source for portions of .Net and C#?

We went over this in great depth a few days ago.

They released portions of it to China to prove the BS about these "backdoors" is BS, a reasonable fear that China has.  The code is still proprietary.

Considering the OS market in China is worth billions, wouldn't you?

26 posted on 08/27/2005 10:22:41 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: for-q-clinton
Since it's all OSS aren't they are partners by default. My code is your code and your code is mine?

That's all fine, but I'm not doing the "group hug" thing.

27 posted on 08/27/2005 10:24:13 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: Golden Eagle
Isn't your list "open sourced" on your webpage?

Of course.  Share and share alike, isn't that what OSS is?  If he doesn't share, he would be just like {gasp} Micro$oft!

28 posted on 08/27/2005 10:26:04 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: MikeinIraq
LINUX BAD!!
LINUX BAD!!!!!!!!!!
I see Golden DoDo has visited us already this morning

LOL!!!  You guys crack me up.

29 posted on 08/27/2005 10:28:59 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: softwarecreator

it's all in good fun. :)


30 posted on 08/27/2005 10:31:41 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (It's called having class.....)
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To: N3WBI3
They are now trading at $6.38 a share and have been pretty stable at the level after the initial market hype surrounding their purchase of Suse pushed their stock way too high...

It's obviously not Novell's fault over this.  Also the part where you mentioned that it was $33 a share in 2000 is also very misleading because ALL tech companies were booming during that time period.  So, I think you are proving the point that Novell has pretty much stayed steady over the years, and in fact, has seen a slight upturn since purchasing Suse (after the initial hype).  Good job.

31 posted on 08/27/2005 10:33:44 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: MikeinIraq; N3WBI3
Of course.  This is turning into the most entertaining ping list I am on!!  Also very informative, I've learned a lot here and N3WBI3 deserves our thanks for not only researching the articles, but for sharing them with us.  He's not a bad guy for a "Linux Zealot".  =)
32 posted on 08/27/2005 10:36:51 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: Golden Eagle
Hahahaha ... very good.  And you are right, you sure do back up your words with proof.
33 posted on 08/27/2005 10:38:53 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: softwarecreator

LOL

Yeah. It is good to learn this stuff because IT and technology is constantly changing.

As for the Linux is for Commies stuff, that's just stupid :)

Have a good one. Time to get some stuff done and play from poker.


34 posted on 08/27/2005 10:41:07 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (It's called having class.....)
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To: softwarecreator

Why did? Please provide a link as I do not remember Project Rotor being discussed.

http://research.microsoft.com/programs/europe/rotor/
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/02/07/SharedSourceCLI/

"Released on 27 March 2002, Rotor provides a free, shared-source implementation of Microsoft’s Common Language Runtime platform, including source code for C# and Jscript compilers, as well as for the Common Language Infrastructure (CLI) platform itself. It also contains source code for a variety of useful developer tools, including a Common Intermediate Language (CIL) assembler, a disassembler, a debugger, a profiler, and an assembly linker. The Rotor code can be used, modified, and re-distributed, for non-commercial experimentation, as a basis for courseware or lab projects, or as a guide for those developing their own commercial ECMA implementations. (The specifications, already ratified as international standards by the European Computer Manufacturers Association (ECMA Standards 242, 334 and 335), are undergoing ISO Fast Track processing.)

In April 2002 and November 2003, Microsoft Research published two requests for research proposals to initially help get things going and then for purposes of research, teaching and community building."


35 posted on 08/27/2005 10:42:32 AM PDT by SolarisRocks
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To: MikeinIraq
As for the Linux is for Commies stuff, that's just stupid :)

Some parts of it get a bit silly as we are in a world economy. However, when you look at the true underpinnings, OSS is about as close as we'll ever get to working communism.

36 posted on 08/27/2005 10:45:34 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: MikeinIraq
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs!" - Karl Marx

Each programmer adding what he can to the collective community. Each user taking what he needs from the collective community.

37 posted on 08/27/2005 10:47:31 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: softwarecreator

"Why not start a ping list for your articles? N3wBI3's is for open source, maybe you could start one for non-OSS articles?"

Or, Golden Eagle and Bush2000 could start their own two man ping list and call it "crabby tin-foil hatters who call everyone communists at the drop of a pin". But then they'd have no one but themselves to spew venom at.

Open source is here to stay, the Chicoms already steal Microsoft OS far more than they buy it, so even if Linux was magically taken from the universe it isn't like tey would suffer because they are thieves anyway.

No, B2000 and GE just like to bark at the moon.


38 posted on 08/27/2005 10:48:03 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: FastCoyote
I'll try not to result to name calling as you have; however, what does this mean to you?

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs!" - Karl Marx

39 posted on 08/27/2005 10:50:47 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

Use the list with the permission of the memebrs on it but dont call it an OSS ping, please..


40 posted on 08/27/2005 10:53:06 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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