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US Mint confiscates gold coins that never officially existed
Yahoo ^ | 08/26/05

Posted on 08/26/2005 2:50:46 PM PDT by RoyalsFan

NEW YORK (AFP) - The American 20-dollar 1933 "double eagle" is one of the rarest and most valuable coins in the world. Joan Langbord of Philadelphia found 10 of them, and now the US government has taken them away.

Compounding Langbord's sense of loss -- a double eagle auctioned in 2002 sold for a world-record 7.6 million dollars -- is the fact that it was her own decision to inform the government of her discovery that led to their confiscation.

The 10 coins were hidden for decades in the possessions of Langbord's father, Israel Switt, who ran an antique jewelry store in Philadelphia before his death in 1990.

After uncovering the trove, Langbord turned the coins over to the US Mint for authentication. The Mint happily complied, confirmed they were genuine and promptly refused to give them back.

The double eagles were taken from the Mint "in an unlawful manner 70 years ago," the Mint's acting director, David Lebryk, said in a statement.

"They are, and always have been, public property belonging to the United States," Lebryk said.

The complexity of the case, which Langbord is planning to take to court, stems from the double eagles' unique history.

A total of 445,500 double eagles were minted in 1933, but then-president Franklin Roosevelt took the United States off the gold standard in the same year and the coins never went into circulation.

All were ordered melted down into gold bars but, in the style of a page-turning thriller, a small number of specimens were known to have "escaped" into private hands.

As they had never been officially issued as US coinage, they could not be legally owned, and nine were seized by, or turned in to, the US Secret Service in the 1940s and '50s. All were destroyed.

A 10th specimen was seized by the Secret Service in 1996, when a dealer tried to sell it to some undercover agents.

Following a legal settlement, that coin was retroactively "issued" and auctioned at Sotheby's in New York City in 2002 for 7.6 million dollars -- still the highest price ever paid for a single coin.

"At the time, ... the Mint declared that it would not monetize or sell future 1933 double eagles that might be recovered," Lebryk said, explaining why Langbord's discovery had been confiscated.

The 10 coins are currently being held at the US bullion depository at Fort Knox, and Lebryk said the government was looking at the possibility of having them exhibited as "historical artifacts."

Langbord's lawyer Barry Berke told the Philadelphia Inquirer that she intended to sue for the return of the coins, on the grounds that Mint officials had no way of showing that they were stolen or subject to forfeiture.

In the meantime, Langbord is offering no details of how the coins may have come to be in her father's possession or when exactly she found them.

"Until this is resolved, there is nothing I can say," she told the Inquirer.

According to the newspaper, Switt, who started his business in 1920, was known to trade heavily in gold and had cultivated a relationship with people who worked at the Mint.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: coins; mint; usmint
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To: Sender
IMHO, the government should at least compensate her for the amount of the gold.

They will only pay $20.67/ounce.

21 posted on 08/26/2005 3:20:34 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God)
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To: TexasTransplant
Statute of Limitations?

NO! Coins with eagles. Not statues with lemmings, dangnabit. Where's my TV Guide again?

22 posted on 08/26/2005 3:20:55 PM PDT by anonymous_user (You gotta be passionate about something. I guess.)
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To: Fee

Good idea; let her keep one of them. If only I were king.


23 posted on 08/26/2005 3:22:12 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: Sender
>>>If only she had known what would happen, she could have melted them down or simply hammered them flat. IMHO, the government should at least compensate her for the amount of the gold<<<

That is the dumbest post that I have ever read, they are "PRICELESS", or damned near for what they are, not for their freaking gold!

The US Government shouldn't have any claim on them at all, no more than the Tali ban has the right to destroy Ancient Indian Statues in Afghanistan/Iraq

Now to be lost to the freaking stupid Government, Ted Kennedy or his ilk will end up with them, and I guarantee they won't be stupid enough to show them to the Government. Hillary is making room for them right now, right next to her stolen furniture and her stolen paintings! Crap! I think I just broke my keyboard.
24 posted on 08/26/2005 3:23:53 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Jim Noble

Not much for "priceless" coins, but more than she'll get now. 'Tis a pity all around.


25 posted on 08/26/2005 3:29:45 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: RoyalsFan

Why has the government the right to place them on display, yet she hasnt the right to sell them.
I agree she shouldnt have shown the mint all 10, That was stupid and she probably should have sent them out of the country for sale. As for the Statute of Limitations , if her father stole them it surely has run out. Nope she was screwed by the government --plain and simple. Why should one person have the coin re-issued and yet all others were found to be contraband? Thats BS and we all know it.


26 posted on 08/26/2005 3:30:35 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: TexasTransplant

"The US Government shouldn't have any claim on them at all"

Once it's stolen, it's the thief's property, eh?


27 posted on 08/26/2005 3:38:28 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: sgtbono2002

"Why has the government the right to place them on display, yet she hasnt the right to sell them."

Because they were stolen from the U.S. Mint.


28 posted on 08/26/2005 3:38:57 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon

Was their a trial? Doesn't their have to be proof they are stolen? Due process?


29 posted on 08/26/2005 3:43:46 PM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: nickcarraway

"Was their a trial? Doesn't their have to be proof they are stolen? Due process?"

Yes, yes, and yes. Hell, this woman's father was the fence for the thief!


30 posted on 08/26/2005 3:46:35 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: nickcarraway

It's kind of an inescapable logical conclusion - they were never released to anyone outside the Mint, so the only way they coould have left the Mint was if someone stole them, they left the Mint - ergo, they're stolen.


31 posted on 08/26/2005 3:47:08 PM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
>>>Because they were stolen from the U.S. Mint<<<

If ONE exists it was STOLEN, why can it be traded and these cannot?

Snug your seat belt tight because Government is your Mommy!

History is History, it shouldn't be destroyed because of a stupid freaking hall monitor (Mrs Cravitz) rule.

How can Pirate booty be kept? I think it was stolen!
How can the US keep Oklahoma, it was Stolen!

JEEEEEEEEEZ and Crackers, this is a no-brainer.

TT
32 posted on 08/26/2005 3:49:15 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: general_re; BeHoldAPaleHorse
If there is evidence, then this should be dealt with in court. I don't think the government should be able to take property, because they say that the only way someone could own one is through illegal means.

By the way, that argument is somewhat suspect because there is at least one of these coins that is legally owned by someone with the government's knowledge. That precedence already exists, so now they are going to put the horse back in the barn?

33 posted on 08/26/2005 3:54:21 PM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: TexasTransplant

"If ONE exists it was STOLEN, why can it be traded and these cannot?"

Because there was a ton of litigation involved, and a settlement. Incidentally, one of the conditions of the settlement was that any further 1933 double eagles that surfaced would be seized.

Bottom line: these coins were in the possession of the fence, and then the fence's daughter tries to cash in.

"How can Pirate booty be kept? I think it was stolen!"

Wrong. Admiralty law holds that shipwrecks (with certain exceptions) are considered abandoned property. Also, most "pirates" were actually "privateers" with letters of marque that made their actions legal as far as the issuing government was concerned.

"How can the US keep Oklahoma, it was Stolen!"

No, it wasn't. There were several treaties that opened Oklahoma to settlement.


34 posted on 08/26/2005 3:55:33 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse


>>>Once it's stolen, it's the thief's property, eh?<<<

What a freaking 100% correct all the time phrophet you are!
Please Name the Thief!

You are also one hell of a Judge and Jury as well, 100% right all the time!

TT


35 posted on 08/26/2005 3:56:36 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: nickcarraway

"If there is evidence, then this should be dealt with in court. I don't think the government should be able to take property, because they say that the only way someone could own one is through illegal means."

The woman's father confessed to being the fence for the other stolen coins back in 1944, and that he had never had legitimately owned any 1933 double eagles.

Suddenly, another ten 1933 double eagles surface in his estate.

Must've slipped his mind, I guess.

By the way, that argument is somewhat suspect because there is at least one of these coins that is legally owned by someone with the government's knowledge. That precedence already exists, so now they are going to put the horse back in the barn?"

As a condition of the settlement that resulted in the one coin being legal, the government agreed that it would be the ONE legal coin--all others would automatically be contraband.


36 posted on 08/26/2005 3:58:42 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: TexasTransplant

"Please Name the Thief!"

George McCann.

Israel Switt--the woman's father--confessed to being McCann's fence in 1944.


37 posted on 08/26/2005 3:59:36 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

I didn't read that Father confessed, is that in another article? By the way, why the resistance to doing things throught the courts? If there is proof there is proof. I can't come to your house and take something, even if it is one of a kind and I never took it off my property, can I? I have to follow the proper procedures. That should apply to the government even more.


38 posted on 08/26/2005 4:02:43 PM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Taxation is theft once, the government going off of Constitutionally mandated gold and silver currency and replacing it with fiat pieces of paper, whose value they can alter at will, is theft a second time, and the great gold confiscation of 1933 is theft a third time. The government has little moral authority to talk about stolen property, especially regarding gold money.


39 posted on 08/26/2005 4:03:27 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
As a condition of the settlement that resulted in the one coin being legal, the government agreed that it would be the ONE legal coin--all others would automatically be contraband.

I read that and it's nice that the government threw in the last bit about "all others" but I'm not sure they can legally enforce that. How come that coin is now legal and these ones aren't? Because they said so. Unless there is some reason they made an exception in that case that doesn't apply to this case, I have a hard time agreeing with them.

40 posted on 08/26/2005 4:04:58 PM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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