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Parks officer shoots, kills man at Elephant Butte (NM State Park)
El Paso Times ^ | August 25, 2005 | Heath Haussamen

Posted on 08/26/2005 1:17:42 PM PDT by Rio

A state parks officer fatally shot a man Tuesday night at Elephant Butte Lake State Park during a confrontation over the man's refusal to pay camping fees.

It was the first fatal shooting by an officer at one of New Mexico's 32 state parks in at least 30 years -- since the creation of a formal parks law-enforcement program -- Parks Director Dave Simon said. The New Mexico State Police are investigating the shooting.

The slain man was described as an Anglo in his mid-50s whose truck and trailer had Montana license plates. Police would not release other information until his next of kin were notified.

The officer, Clyde Woods, a three-year veteran of the parks force, is on paid administrative leave pending the conclusion of the investigation, Simon said.

A spokeswoman for the parks division, Erica Asmus-Otero, said the shooting was, "as far as we know, in self-defense."

"The officer was doing his job, what he was trained to do," she said.

State police Lt. Jimmy Glascock would not confirm that, saying the investigation continues. When completed, it will be forwarded to the 7th Judicial District Attorney's Office in Socorro for a decision on whether charges are warranted.

The confrontation began just after 8 p.m. Tuesday at Lion's Beach, a busy area near the lake's visitors center, after the man became belligerent with a parks volunteer over a $14 camping fee he refused to pay, Asmus-Otero said.

The volunteer called for an officer, and the man was also belligerent after Woods arrived.

Woods attempted to apprehend the man for trespassing, Asmus-Otero said. The man placed his hands in his pockets and refused to remove them despite Woods' requests. At that point, she said, the man "acted in a manner that our officer is trained to respond to," but would not provide more details, other than to say he was "aggressive" and "verbally abusive."

Glascock said police did not find "a firearm or knife" on or near the man's body after he was shot.

State Parks officers are fully certified law enforcement officers who attend the state police academy for training. Simon said officers are trained to focus on education and interaction with the public, rather than confrontation.

He said the "vast majority" of parks users "comply willingly with parks fees," which generate almost two-thirds of the state parks division's budget.

"Deadly force is always a last resort," Simon said. "The choice to use it is based on the risk the officer sees of imminent injury or death to the officer or to the public. ... Failure to pay fees would not have been a reason for this officer to do what he did."

Sun-News photographer Norm Dettlaff contributed to this report.


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To: VeniVidiVici



BTTT


61 posted on 08/26/2005 3:10:29 PM PDT by rustyncrusty (Where liberty dwells, there is my country. - Ben Franklin)
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To: Clemenza

Hey. You're right. I just looked it up and Caucasia is a well-defined, rather small part of eastern Europe. Don't think my family is from there.

Neither am I white. Pink is about right as described by a previous poster.

Anglo? Partly, but not entirely.

Anglo-Saxon is probably pretty close.


62 posted on 08/26/2005 3:23:28 PM PDT by Rio (Don't make me come over there....)
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To: Rio
Sounds like a trucker that got screwed at the gas pumps and then didn't have any patients left for a$$hole bureaucrats.
63 posted on 08/26/2005 3:23:49 PM PDT by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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To: Sir Gawain
Yeah, he tried to grab the officer's gun with his hands in his pockets. More likely it's just another story of a loser that shouldn't be behind a badge.

LEO'S are trained to shoot when a subject fails to obey an order to take his hands out of his pocket. They can't second guess what might be in his pocket. We just buried 2 NM police officers in Albuquerque that were murdered by a man who surprised them by pulling a gun. They were two long time veteran officers. They buried the last one yesterday.

ALL this man had to do was take his hands out of his pocket so the officer could see that he didn't have a gun. He's dead because he was stupid.

64 posted on 08/26/2005 3:49:03 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Clinton will be recorded in history as the only President to do "Hanky Panky between the Bushes.")
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To: newgeezer; FOG724; JTHomes; SouthernFreebird; Spann_Tillman; UseYourHead

"The story says the officer tried to take the person into custody for traspass"


--- Now, will the park service (& the rest of the Govt) apply the same standard against the trespassers from over the Rio Grande.

Or does the death sentance for trespass only apply to Anglos?


65 posted on 08/26/2005 3:53:41 PM PDT by Casekirchen (If allah is just another name for the Judeo-Christian God, why do the islamics pray to a rock?)
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To: Rio
The fact that they are withholding information is suspicious but still not enough known to be sure.

This story is second hand but the person who saw it happen is reliable. My friend was crossing the Suwannee River bridge when a guy passed him at high speed. An instant later two Florida State Troopers passed. After he had traveled a short distance he saw more cops in his rear view so he pulled over.

A few hundred yards in front of him they stopped the guy, dragged him out and as my friend was passing, were beating the crap out of him. He said he didn't see the guy offer any resistance.

66 posted on 08/26/2005 4:08:15 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Shawndell Green
... Now Bruce's mute, the loot's moot, and no one gives a hoot.

lol. Very creative! how about something for those who thing butte rhymes w/but?

which one of us has too much time on his hands?

67 posted on 08/26/2005 4:21:37 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (see my FR page for a link to the tribute to Terri Schaivo, a short video presentation.)
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To: NRA2BFree
"LEO'S are trained to shoot when a subject fails to obey an order to take his hands out of his pocket."

This should be told to the subject immediately, sort of like the Miranda warning.

"You have a aright to be silent and you have a right to be shot, if you don't take you hands out of your pockets."

Homeowner --"I shot him because he would not take his hands out of his pockets."

68 posted on 08/26/2005 4:23:28 PM PDT by gatex (NRA, JPFO and Gun Owners of America)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Looks like the ranger just shot him out of a lack of ideas about what to do. Even if the guy was being a jerk, it appears the the man was not threatenign, just being an ass and refusing to pay or leave.

Hmmm. The article said it was in self-defense. Of course don't let the facts in the article get in the way of your desire to inflame.

69 posted on 08/26/2005 4:26:27 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: NRA2BFree

I suppose they are trained to shoot anyone who makes a sudden move, like taking their hands out of their pockets, too.


70 posted on 08/26/2005 4:28:48 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: sit-rep
The bastard was lucky...real lucky. If I was not "Impaired",

hmmmm. Maybe the kid had a reason to suspect you might go ballistic ...

71 posted on 08/26/2005 4:29:23 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Rio

Well, that does it for me. The local park police MUST protect us all from such scofflaws. Failure to wear a safety belt! Ping all of the drug warriors immediately! This is a gateway offense, and certainly the viciously threatened officer needs a commendation. These criminal elements start off harassing, resisting, evading, and obstructing. They become so hardened by the system that they progress to >gasp< failure to carry insurance. Lock up the wimmenfolk, this is worse than the Hells Angels!
Shame on those that celebrate his death.


72 posted on 08/26/2005 4:34:50 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocity of 11 Sept.)
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To: gatex
This should be told to the subject immediately, sort of like the Miranda warning.

"You have a aright to be silent and you have a right to be shot, if you don't take you hands out of your pockets."

Yep, that would be a good idea. That way the perp would know what was coming if he failed to immediately comply.

Homeowner --"I shot him because he would not take his hands out of his pockets."

Works for me. ;o)

73 posted on 08/26/2005 4:47:38 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Clinton will be recorded in history as the only President to do "Hanky Panky between the Bushes.")
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To: NRA2BFree

This was not a homeowner. Granted the guy should have walked away from a $14.00 issue. Lack of weapons looks bad anyway you slice it.


74 posted on 08/26/2005 4:50:18 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocity of 11 Sept.)
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To: yarddog
I suppose they are trained to shoot anyone who makes a sudden move, like taking their hands out of their pockets, too.

That would apply only if the officer told him to keep his hands in his pocket. LOL

75 posted on 08/26/2005 4:51:19 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Clinton will be recorded in history as the only President to do "Hanky Panky between the Bushes.")
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To: NRA2BFree
Yeah sort of reminds me of the FBI agent who shot the eagle scout (who BTW had done nothing illegal at all) in Baltimore I think. He told him to get out of the car. When the kid tried to unbuckle his seat belt the agent shot him in the face with a .223.

I am pretty sure the police ruled it a "good" shooting. He had made a sudden move.

76 posted on 08/26/2005 4:54:36 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: newgeezer

See #51. Call me Nostradamus...


77 posted on 08/26/2005 6:24:36 PM PDT by Pharmboy (There is no positive correlation between the ability to write, act, sing or dance and being right)
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To: Shermy; All
Bump in loving memory of Cukoo Butt.
78 posted on 08/26/2005 6:27:59 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Rio

It certainly would be good to see a video of what went on in cases such as this. Cameras ought to be mandatory everywhere where law enforcement officials come into contact with the public.


79 posted on 08/26/2005 6:31:34 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Freebird Forever; Spann_Tillman

I'm not saying it's correct; I'm just saying it is. My background is mostly Scandinavian, so the "Anglo" thing doesn't work for me either.


80 posted on 08/26/2005 6:44:50 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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