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To: WildTurkey
Darwin’s finches

It is basically a conflict of worldviews and fundamentalism exists on both sides of the issue – a worldview with teleology and a worldview void of teleology in science.

How does naturalism help the conservative cause? Currently science lacks a solid explanation for the origin of life. In fact, there are some who say chance and necessity do not explain the origin of life and people should consider the implications. If life does not arise from purely (mindless) natural means than are we to assume everything else did due to common descent? What if the selfish-gene hypothesis was question by ‘new’ scientists? What if the social implications of Darwinism were found lacking?

Bottom line: ‘Current science’ states the universe and human consciousness comes from mindless mechanisms. ID states consciousness does not come from mindlessness – this means mindlessness is not the originating source of our material consciousness and our consciousness is not a byproduct of mindless mechanisms. Our Morality is not a relative happenstance that changes with the wind.

Consider the current phylogenic software, you could throw random data into it and it would still form a tree. Why? Obviously because it is designed to create a tree and it will always create a tree because that is the preprogrammed goal but the trees will appear different. Now the initial assumption in the software is common descent and via random data a whale could be descended from a bat - And why not? This could solve the whole; sonar, tail, nose, and fin issues. (And yes, I am familiar with the current whale evolution paradigm so there is no need for anyone to post it) The point is that if this information was published in favor of Darwin’s common descent people would defend it because of a preprogrammed adherence to common descent – if a different story came out next year with “bear to whale” data that supported common descent, it would be defended as well as long as it was based on common descent… (Do we see an obvious preprogrammed pattern? – LOL) But than anyone can make these predictions within evolutionary science - It’s science made easy by naturalism

188 posted on 08/28/2005 5:42:49 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander
Bottom line: ‘Current science’ states the universe and human consciousness comes from mindless mechanisms.

Where did you read that?

192 posted on 08/28/2005 5:54:52 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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