Do not DARE call Islamists Kamikaze

Vanity | 08/26/05 | Ronin

[Brian Allen]

I respect your passion but as respectfully take umbrage at the notion that any part of and/or actions of the forces of Human History's fourth most prolific mass murderer, Hirohito, guilty of serial aggressions against innocents, of countless scores of millions of rapes and tortures and horrific mutilations and of almost twenty years of mindless barbaritioes -- and guilty of the deaths of upwards of forty million innocents -- be described as "honorable."

What absolute bullshit.

Both the islamist homicide bombers and their 1930s-40s Japanese soul-mates were and are but manifestations of bloody evil.

[Brian Allen]

<< There needs to be a stop put to the islamics claim that they worship the same God as Jews and Christians. Islamics are Satan worshipers, plain and simple. Why this abomination, this cult of death, is treated with respect by our leaders or anyone else is beyond the pale. >>

Absolutely!

Blessings -- Brian

[Earthdweller]

"Fair enough. No more "Islamokazi" from me."

The new fun word is Islamofacist. Some like Islamonazi. I rather like Islamozoid myself..as in being lower than the lowest human.

[gakrak]

Good read, you are right on. Kamikaze's attacked military targets not innocent men,women and children.Amen.

[Steve Van Doorn]

The only thing I have said in the past was the Kamikaze’s where a LOT more effective then these terrorists are.

[lefty-lie-spy]

Damn! That's a nice article Ronin. Now you got me worked up and eager to write my own piece.

[KeyWest]

Both the islamist homicide bombers and their 1930s-40s Japanese soul-mates were and are but manifestations of bloody evil.

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The Japanese then had a warped sense of honor. Plus they considered all other races inferior to them (and still are fairly racist - just ask a Korean). They were an autocratic society and cruel, just check the movie the Great Raid for a look at their treatment of POWs. It is mild, BTW. Some of my Japanese heritage USN shipmates, back in the 60's, did not go ashore in the Philippines because of the hatred for the Japanese and what they did in WWII.

I am completely with you on this. It is a poor analogy. Courage is when you decide, in the thick of battle, to do something like that yourself. Blind obedience is when you are ordered to do the same.

In the case of the Japanese, they decided they could not train their pilots to fight us so they just treated them as cannon fodder. Same with Islam and suicide bombers. There is no honor there, only desperation and a willingness to treat a person as expendable.

In truth, it says much about a society that has no trouble throwing away lives, like both the Japanese and Islam, compared to one when a single life impacts a nation.

[tet68]

Blind obedience is when you are ordered to do the same.

They were volunteers.

"Today in flower
Tomorrow scattered by the wind.
Such is our blossom life.
How can we think it's fragrance lasts forever."

Cherry Blossom Bump.

[English Nationalist]

The kamikaze never attacked civilians.

That was the job of the Japanese Army, wasn't it?

[Vigilanteman]

The civilians who died at Pearl Harbor were collateral damage, not targets. The Japanese warrior mentality extended to the submarine fleet as well. They targeted only warships. They considered the U.S. Navy's employment of submarines against merchant vessels as cowardly.

Of course, Imperial Japan's record with regard to civilian targets were not without blemish. Nanking comes immediately to mind. As does largely ineffective random bombings of the northwest from submarine planes and balloons in the spring of 1942.

However, even these cases show less cowardice than Islamofacists. The object of the bombings was not to kill civilians per se, but to spread fear. The object of Nanking was to make an example of a city which resisted. The Islamofacits, on the other hand, select the softest targets possible-- markets crowded with women and children, schools, busses.

As demented as the soldiers of Imperial Japan were-- and I've talked to many elderly people in Japan who lived in that dark era who have made them the pacifist nation they are today-- the worst of their actions pales in comparison to the Islamofacist terrorists-- to the point that I want to bitch-slap every reporter who makes the comparison or uses the term "insurgents." They are no more insurgents than a gallows bird pedophile is a lover of children.

[PzLdr]

As I recall, there was at least one instance of a Japanese pilot, whose plane was too damaged to return to his carrier deliberately crashing it into a military target. But there were no organized Kamikaze units in 1941. They were created by Admiral Onishi in either 1943 or 1944. One reason for their creation was that the flying skills of Japanese pilots had gotten so bad that they were largely incapable of doing anything that required more skill.

[PzLdr]

I'm sure all the Americans, Aussies, Brits, Filipino scouts, Dutch, etc, who live through the hell of Japanese POW camps, and who were brutalized, in part, by the Japs BECAUSE they surrendered, and didn't meet that wonderful Japanese sense of honor you're extolling, have a different view of it.

To me, flying a plane into anything, because you're ordered to, is no better than claiming "Befehl ist Befehl" before you shoot American priisoners in the Ardenne, Canadian prisoners at the Falaise Gap, British prisoners at Wormhout or Le Paradis, or Soviet prisoners almost anywhere.

The Japanese tossed babies onto bayonets, serially raped women in China and Manila [by Japanese Marines and Naval personnel under Navy command], burned civilians alive, beheaded prisoners, shot prisoners, forced Korean women into filed brothels, etc. Our POW mortality rate in Germany was 3-4% [less than their prisoners here]. The rate of POW deaths in Japanese custody was 37-40%. So take that warped concept of Japanese honor and stick it. Hai? They were no better than the SS, and as far as westerners are concerned, a lot worse than the German Army.

[usafsk]

Pales in comparison? The Japanese military committed the full laundry list of atrocities throughout Asia. Maybe you should consider Bataan, Nanking, Ghost Ships, etc.

Their atrocities included mass rape, murdering of innocents by the hundreds of thousands, POW mistreatment and murder, ritual cannibalismbiological warfare, medical experiments that would make Mengele proud, and on and on. If you can imagine it, they did it. Japanese tactics included suicide attacks and on Okinawa there were many instances of Okinawan civilians attacking US troops. If they had infiltrated the US is there any doubt they would have hesitated to attack and murder innocents?

I think you could all find better uses of our time than quibbling over whether the Japanese kamikaze is more "honorable" than an Islamic terrorist.

The fervor with which a kamikaze executed his mission, his level of commitment to the cause, would certainly have made him just as likley to rape an innocent in Nanking, murder a POW at Bataan, or eat the flesh of a murdered US POW on Okinawa in the final days of the campaign, given the opportunity by fate. I find it hard to imagine that any American could have nostalgia and sympathy for a kamikaze. Nuts. There are dead men buried throughout the Pacific turning in their graves at this absurd defense of the kamikaze.

[mhking]

I don't call 'em Kamikaze; I call 'em Islamikazis -- they are certainly without honor, and without much else once they zot themselves.

[KneelBeforeZod]

He was lucky the war ended before his last flight !

dont you mean his first flight?

[TaxRelief]

Bravo! Bravo!

[RoadTest]

You make your point well, Ronin. You're right. And so is MissAmericanPie.

[Larry Lucido]

Whatever honor resided in individual Japanese soldiers (and there was some) was never allowed to bloom until after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Paul Johnson in Modern Times has a good treatment on the phony "bushido" code of honor. Time for me to go re-read it.

That said, post-war Japan has been admirable in almost every sense, though some would call it on its apparent denial of much of its recent history. Imperial Japan was a far bigger threat to freedom than the unmitigatedly evil but bumbling, incompetent buffoons that call themselves "mujahideen."

[AmericanInTokyo]

I think if the WWII roles had been somehow reversed and the Japanese Imperial Army had been successful all across the Pacific, then having taken Honolulu and had been burning, killing, raping and looting on the Hawaiian islands as they moved eastward with their naval fleets targeting landings on the US west coast, and we had some inkling that the USA was about to fall under their tyranny, a brave corps of suicide US airmen, etc., would probably step forward and as national policy I was imagine some, if not many, would go forward to save the Republic through such a desperate measure, rather than risk being enslaved under Imperial Japan.

[BayouCoyote]

They should not be given a title that was meant for the Japs who killed so many of our sailors, mainly b/c they are not inspired in the same fashion that the Jap's were at that time. In addition to that, the historical context of that title should be respected. Muzzies are not kamikaze's, they are fanatics who kill b/c their disgusting pseudo prophet lived his life in such a vile manner that they want to emulate. Scumbags, that's what they are.