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U.S. Mint Confiscates 10 Rare Gold Coins
Yahoo | AP ^ | 8/25/05

Posted on 08/25/2005 9:52:28 AM PDT by LibWhacker

PHILADELPHIA - The U.S. Mint seized 10 Double Eagle gold coins from 1933, among the rarest and most valuable coins in the world, that were turned in by a jeweler seeking to determine their authenticity.

Joan S. Langbord plans a federal court lawsuit to try to recover them, her attorney, Barry H. Berke, said Wednesday. Langbord found the coins among the possessions of her father, longtime Philadelphia jeweler Israel Switt, who had acknowledged having sold some of the coins decades ago. She now operates her father's business.

David Lebryk, acting director of the Mint, had announced in a news release that the rare coins, which were never put in circulation, had been taken from the Mint "in an unlawful manner" in the mid-1930's and now were "recovered."

The coins, which are so rare that their value is almost beyond calculation, are public property, he said.

But Berke said Mint officials couldn't prove the coins had been stolen, or were subject to forfeiture.

In 2002, Sotheby's and numismatic firm Stack's auctioned off a 1933 Double Eagle coin for $7.59 million, the highest price ever paid for a coin. That Double Eagle, which is believed to have been part of a collection belonging to King Farouk of Egypt, surfaced when a coin dealer tried selling it to undercover Secret Service agents.

After a legal battle, the dealer was permitted to sell the coin at auction on the condition he split the proceeds with the Mint.

In its statement, the Mint said officials were still deciding what they would do with the seized coins, which are being held at Fort Knox. They said they had no plans to auction them but would consider saving "these historical artifacts" for public exhibits. Other double eagle coins seized in the past were melted down.

Double Eagles were first minted in 1850 with a face value of $20. The 445,500 coins minted in 1933 were never put into circulation because the nation went off the gold standard. All the coins were ordered melted down, but a handful are believed to have survived, including two handed over to the Smithsonian Institution.

Langbord declined to discuss how the coins might have come into the possession of her father, who operated an antiques and jewelry shop for 70 years and died in 1990 at 95.

The Mint contends Switt obtained a cache of the gold coins from his connections at the Mint just before they were to be reduced to bullion in 1937.

Switt admitted in 1944 that he had sold nine Double Eagle coins, but he was not charged in connection with those transactions, according to the Mint.

The family attorney said the coins were found recently, and Langbord and her son, Roy, notified the Mint of the discovery in September. Mint officials asked to authenticate the coins, then confiscated them after doing so, Berke said.

He contended Langbord and her son never relinquished their right to the coins.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armedrobbers; coins; confiscates; donutwatch; double; doubleeagle; eagle; gold; govwatch; jackbootedthugs; mint; mint2jip; usmint
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To: 1rudeboy

Perhaps the 'owners' of these uncirculated coins should have incorporated as a church.


81 posted on 08/25/2005 10:53:28 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: SittinYonder

If a cop lets you off with a warning, he is under no legal obligation to give you one again.


82 posted on 08/25/2005 10:55:13 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Skooz
It's called "theft."

I hope she wins in court, and it is pathetic that she has to sue to get HER property back from the thieves who stole it.

Yes, it was a theft . . . by this woman's father and some Mint employee in the '30s. And the Mint did get their (our) property back from the thieves who stole it.

83 posted on 08/25/2005 10:56:44 AM PDT by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: beltfed308

But in the case of the NFA War Trophy we at least have the possible means to secure some justice, if we can pass H.R. 2088!

Details available on Thomas.org and http://www.nfaoa.org


84 posted on 08/25/2005 10:57:11 AM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: SittinYonder

75 million


85 posted on 08/25/2005 10:57:17 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (Montani semper liberi !)
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To: atomic_dog
It's not my opinion, it's the law of the land.

It is your opinion that the method of recovery is not dishonorable. It is not a fact.

Would it have been more honorable to send in jackbooted thugs with sub-machine guns to knock the doors down?

Your theatrics aside, it certainly would've been more honest. I do expect honesty out of my government.
86 posted on 08/25/2005 10:57:58 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: 1rudeboy

This is a little different than a traffic ticket.

I don't know if this woman and her son were aware of the deal struck with King Farouk, (I would presume on something like this they would do some level of research before saying, "Look what I found.") But the disparity between splitting proceeds with him and seizing coins from them is astounding. Also, they were clearly aware that their father sold some of the coins without charges being filed.


87 posted on 08/25/2005 10:59:19 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Bear_Slayer

That's a lot.


88 posted on 08/25/2005 11:00:35 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: LibWhacker

These coins were never put into circulation. That means they are stolen property.

They weren't the legal property of the family.

Confiscate means to sieze private property for the government. These coins were never private property.


89 posted on 08/25/2005 11:02:11 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: Jack Black
Many coins were outside the USA and thus outside the jurisdiction of FedGov. When citizen ownership of gold was permitted again (Nixon?) it again became legal to own all years and types of gold coins

I stand corrected. Thanks for the information.

90 posted on 08/25/2005 11:02:30 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunion.)
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To: LibWhacker

So if the courts decide that the government is the rightful owner of the coins I assume they will do the right thing and dutifully melt them into bullion!?! Yeah, right.


91 posted on 08/25/2005 11:03:43 AM PDT by TigersEye (BBQ is the answer.)
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To: SittinYonder
But the disparity between splitting proceeds with him and seizing coins from them is astounding.

Like the fact that the U.S. Mint likely never had Farouk's coin in its possession? Like the fact that the settlement was a result of a legal battle?

As for the father selling some previously . . . totally irrelevant, from a legal point of view.

92 posted on 08/25/2005 11:04:50 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: atomic_dog

Yes. I do recall reading many years ago about speculation as to how many 1933 double eagles were "out there". I don't recall that any specific number of coins was known to have been stolen. This article implies there are more. So this incident ought to provide a good lesson to anyone holding one or more of these things. I am sure that if one ever comes up for sale again no one will hear of it but the buyer, seller and maybe one or two middle-men.

This woman's father was guilty of receiving stolen goods and the mint was correct in its action.


93 posted on 08/25/2005 11:05:05 AM PDT by scory
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To: SittinYonder
So if you're a king of Egypt the mint doesn't "seize" the coins

Actually, it's unclear whether the king or the coin dealer was in possession of that single coin. (Not that it matters.)

What's the difference now?

The government has not relinquished its rights to these 10 coins (there hasn't yet been a "legal battle" such as the one that resulted in that sale). If Langbord can hire the right lawyers, she might have a chance.

Again, if these 10 were originally obtained illegally, I'm thinking seizure is justified. If your lawyers can negotiate a deal, more power to you (and money to them, obviously).

94 posted on 08/25/2005 11:05:59 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer
If these coins were initially obtained through illegitimate means, ... too bad, so sad. They should now be melted down with many witnesses and much verification. No sticky fingers this time.

Shouldn't the government have to prove in a court of law that the coins were obtained illegally?

95 posted on 08/25/2005 11:06:11 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: untrained skeptic
These coins were never private property.

Supposedly... but the burden of proof is on the Government here. They've already admitted that they can't prove it.

That should be the end of the story. Assuming we all still want to pretend that we live in a country ruled by Law.

96 posted on 08/25/2005 11:07:51 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: LibWhacker

Jack-booted government thugs bump.


97 posted on 08/25/2005 11:10:30 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Textide

Yeah, but it's still a good sentiment.


98 posted on 08/25/2005 11:10:37 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Islam is not a religion, but rather a means of world conquest" - ALAN BURKHART.COM)
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To: scory
There are at least two or three more out there that people in the trade have seen. But they are stolen property and will be seized if they shpw up in public. I had not actually noticed at frist that the woman in the article was the niece of Israel Switt. Heh heh, he's the guy who bought them from George McCann who stole them. He beat the rap on a technicality as I recall. I think statute of limitation expired between the time they were stolen (1933 or 1934) and the time they tracked it down (1944).
99 posted on 08/25/2005 11:11:27 AM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: LibWhacker
Amendment V

No person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.

100 posted on 08/25/2005 11:12:49 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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