[MilesVeritatis]

Agreed. I like John Stuart Mill's take on it:

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself" -- John Stuart Mill

[clee1]

"The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself"

Amen.

[AliVeritas]

Amen to that.

[TX Bluebonnet]

The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself" -- John Stuart Mill

Exactly. That's why I hate that song "Imagine" by John Lennon: no heaven, no religion, nothing to kill or die for - basically nothing worth fighting for = nothing worth living for. Sounds pretty depressing to me. And I love a millionaires living in the Dakata Apartments in New York preaching about no possessions. That song is like a Communist wet dream.