Posted on 08/24/2005 8:03:37 PM PDT by DTogo
While discussing ILLEGA immigration and replaying a clip of Sean at the border, Sean then asked guest Sen. Hutchison (R-TX), regardless of beefing up border security, if granting in-state tuition for ILLEGAL immigrants wasn't rewarding bad behaviour to people who have broken the law. Does the Senator think it's wrong?
She completely dodged the question by responding "I can understand how difficult it would be to explain this to parents who want their kids to go to school in Texas" and how these children (of ILLEGAL aliens) also want to receive an education, blah, blah, blah
But she said she's planning to introduce legislation to increase border patrol agents and equipment, blah, blah, blah
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Again with the apples to oranges comparison - what you are asking is more drastic even than Israel not allowing Arab women in from Palestine BEFORE the first one blew herself up - look, I'm not even saying that al Qaeda needs to succeed in another attack before we shut down the borders. I'm saying at least some proof al Qaeda is sending terrorists across our borders would be nice first - especially given the economic hit we will sustain from such action. If we simply leap without looking, then "no one being allowed outside" is exactly where such logic leads.
Bush, Rove and most the of GOP are the same people we need to wake up the enemy is not just liberals anymore its our own party. Bushbots are worse than liberals in most cases because they cant and wont recognize when they are being told a lie. Bush is an elitist, could care less about your welfare and security. At least with liberals we know our enemy but with RINOs its hard to tell what they are going to say or do at any moment to stab conservatives in the back.
Right now we have none of that, it's a free for all that enables human smuggling, exploitation, abuse, etc. Anyone who is FOR more immigrant labor and truly cares about the immigrants coming here should agree with me, otherwise they are for chaos on the border and abuse/exploitation of these immigrants, not to mention all the costs/consequences to American citizens.
Well - since it's a little more complicated than that, I wouldn't go that far - what if getting rid of every benefit for illegals and throwing employers in jail actually ends up costing the U.S. $1 trillion per year until an alternative guest worker program takes effect?
I am the one "jumping to conclusions" by simply asking for SOME proof al Qaeda is sending terrorists across our borders illegally?! Interesting.
Terrorism is but one part, a major part IMHO, of the border/immigration issue. I guess we also shouldn't waste so much money having a military until we have "proof" we have an enemy to use it on.
Why wasn't the economy tanking when the immigration law was enforced---say before the 1986 amnesty---and illegals weren't entitled to public benefits---say before the 1982 Plyler v. Doe Supreme Court decision giving illegals the "right" to a taxpayer-funded public education?
Besides, on another thread I repeatedly demanded that you provide some back-up---ANY back-up---for your claim (or "hypothetical") that the economy would sustain a ONE TRILLION DOLLAR HIT if the immigration law is enforced. You're not arguing in good faith if you demand "hard evidence" for terrorists seeking to infiltrate the US southern border (and there is plenty) while you throw "hypotheticals" like that at proponents of border security of economic catastrophe that you can't even begin to back up.
You aren't trying to argue the issue---you're playing at being "bayourod LITE."
Bin Ladin and Saddam was proof enough for me. Let me know when you have proof of terrorists coming across the border illegally.
I'd rather not deal with someone leveling personal attacks, but I do need to correct you about me not offering proof of the benefits of illegal immigration - on that other thread I also posted an article about an estimated $7 billion just to Social Security from illegal immigrants. Have a nice day though.
Middle Eastern illegal aliens can easily blend in with Mexican illegal aliens.
But you want "proof"? LOL. Use your commonsense, FGS.
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Might as well demand "hard evidence" of "intent to smuggle" before you make people go through customs and have their bags checked. The apparent assumption of this poster---that we cannot take necessary precautions to control and ID every single individual who gets into the country unless we have so-called "hard evidence" of intent to cause harm---should have been banished from the mind of any honest and rational patriot after 9/11. It is simply scandalous that we are being called to make a case for law enforcement and border security after that horrific attack---simply scandalous.
Why should they go to all that trouble of cross the border with Mexico, if coming in LEGALLY is easier?! How about the Canadian border then - we actually HAVE evidence of a terrorist coming across that way.
FGS: Fine Guidance Sensors?
sw
Why do you want open borders?????
sw
I will be happy to answer your questions just as soon as you answer mine.
Funny how I don't recall seeing that, funny how you're not linking it here, and funny how you seem to think my challenge to you about the economy is met by some claim about Social Security.
But let's have a little more fun with your claim: "$7 billion just to Social Security from illegal immigrants"? Even if I were to accept your figure of $7 billion---a figure that doesn't even begin to compensate for the costs of illegal immigration in California alone---, haven't you heard of the proposed "totalization agreement" that would load illegals into the Social Security system and skyrocket its costs? You're talking about illegals bankrupting Social Security. Wanna try another tack?
sw
Even if you were to accept my figure means, at the very least, I did start backing-up the $2 trillion - good night.
Fine by me - no skin off my nose if you won't abide by common courtesy - as I said, you answer the questions I asked you first, and I will be glad to answer yours.
You're backing up, all right... Keep backing up till you get to the exit..
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