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A Choice We Don't Want (Dems bailing on gay rights?)
The Dartmouth | 8-23-05 | Casey Ley

Posted on 08/24/2005 4:30:44 AM PDT by Hadean

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1 posted on 08/24/2005 4:30:44 AM PDT by Hadean
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To: Hadean

Isn't the first paragraph a bit off on who was who during the start of the civil rights era?

Has the writer revised it just a touch?


2 posted on 08/24/2005 4:33:43 AM PDT by PeteB570
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To: Hadean
The argument can be made (and heavily defended) that the Democratic stronghold in the South began to crumble due to the Democratic Party's embrace of civil rights.

Except that the Republican party was even more behind it than the Democrats were.

3 posted on 08/24/2005 4:34:47 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: PeteB570

No, he's not revised it "just a touch". He's given wholesale support to fiction and fantasy.


4 posted on 08/24/2005 4:36:18 AM PDT by MortMan (Mostly Harmless)
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To: MortMan

It's early and I'm only on my third cup of coffee. I just tried to give the wacko-nut job a bit of slack.


5 posted on 08/24/2005 4:39:55 AM PDT by PeteB570
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To: Hadean
The argument can be made (and heavily defended) that the Democratic stronghold in the South began to crumble due to the Democratic Party's embrace of civil rights

Is there any truth whatever in that?

6 posted on 08/24/2005 4:43:59 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Hadean
This erosion of support for Democrats, with the South now a major base of the Republican Party, can be looked at as a political disaster for the Democrats. Yet no one questions whether the promotion of civil rights was the right thing to do.

Couple problems there. The Dims didn't embrace civil rights, they fought it. They were the ones who didn't think it was right to do. What they finally embraced was a bastardization of civil rights, where instead of treating everyone the same, they demanded that special groups be treated a lot differently. That is where the erosion of the Dim party began.

7 posted on 08/24/2005 4:45:17 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Hadean

Notice how he just *assumes* that the forced endorsement of deviant sexual practices is a "civil rights issue?"

Can't ever let them get away with that crap. If it's a "civil rights issue," then there can be no righteous grounds for witholding endorsement of any deviant sexual practice whatever.

And if it's not a "civil rights issue," then everything he said is just so much idiocy.


8 posted on 08/24/2005 4:46:01 AM PDT by dsc
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To: PeteB570

Sorry - I guess my vat of sarcasm is a little bitter this morning!

Have a great day!


9 posted on 08/24/2005 4:48:29 AM PDT by MortMan (Mostly Harmless)
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To: Hadean

how does the left do it....turn a simple revulsion...a disgust at something so outlandish as to provoke a sickening reaction...and turn it around and call it a fear...but not their own fear....claim that someone else has that fear....

I have swam it what could have been conceivable shark infested waters...and I was afraid....but not revulsed...actually I have a lot of respect for sharks, Tigers, Kodiak Brown Bears, Semi's bearing down on me. ..etc.

I was revulsed by the sight of a dog freshly hit by a car...but I was not afraid. I had no respect for it. it was just disgusting. No other emotional state existed.

You have to love the left...and its newspeak.


10 posted on 08/24/2005 4:49:18 AM PDT by Vaquero (lets all play " The Crusades")
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To: Hadean

This will be their absolute death.

The fags control the newsrooms.


11 posted on 08/24/2005 4:52:11 AM PDT by digger48
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To: atomicpossum

< Except that the Republican party was even more behind it than the Democrats were. >

I'm constantly amazed at the number of blacks who don't even know this. They just toe the party line.


12 posted on 08/24/2005 4:54:37 AM PDT by GOP_Proud (Those who preach tolerance most,, have the least for my views.)
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To: dsc
Notice how he just *assumes* that the forced endorsement of deviant sexual practices is a "civil rights issue?"

It's an old ploy..
establish a false premise as fact and then proceed from there.

Of course everything from that point is also false or highly suspect but the writer hopes you're not smart enough to pick up on that little point.

13 posted on 08/24/2005 4:55:51 AM PDT by evad ( PC KILLS..and so do liberal judges.)
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To: Hadean

"Democratic Party as to whether supporting gay rights is politically viable,"

This is the core problem with politics. Things aren't viewed as being either right or wrong, all it has to be is "politically viable".


14 posted on 08/24/2005 4:57:32 AM PDT by diverteach
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To: trebb

"What they finally embraced was a bastardization of civil rights, where instead of treating everyone the same, they demanded that special groups be treated a lot differently. That is where the erosion of the Dim party began."

A couple of days ago I was remembering the 1968 Democratic national convention in Chicago.

At that time, the Dims were still American enough that the left would attack them.

Who, today, is so much to the left of the DemonRats that they would riot in protest of their convention?

The Dims have been on the way down since the 30s, but what killed them was infiltration by the same people who were getting gassed and thumped on the streets of Chicago in 1968.

There is more than enough difference between the left and right wings of the Republican Party that it could split into two parties.


15 posted on 08/24/2005 4:58:51 AM PDT by dsc
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To: trebb

While many Southern Democrats did support racial segregation, it was a Democratic President Lyndon Johnson pushed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 through Congress. As the bill was being signed, Johnson commented "There goes the South." Democrats were harmed politically in the South as a result of taking a stand against racial discrimination, however, it was a position worth taking based upon sound moral principles.

While homosexuals should not be persecuted in a free society, the gay rights agenda which includes same sex marriage or civil unions with tax benefits and adoptions of children by gay couples is not similar to the struggle of African Americans for equality nor does it occupy the same moral high ground.


16 posted on 08/24/2005 4:59:38 AM PDT by RightDemocrat
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I have a question about something...years ago I was playing a trivia board game with my mother and the answer to the question was an expression--"Always south, always Democrat" (or something to that effect that meant that the south always votes Democrat). I was stunned and she (a Democrat) said, "The parties used to be reversed. Democrats were Republicans and Republicans were Democrats." I didn't know what she was talking about and didn't want to get into an argument, but I let it go.

Has anyone ever heard this before? I'm wondering now if it's a way for Democrats to make themselves think that they were the original civil rights party.

I'd love some insight on this odd thing my mother said.

17 posted on 08/24/2005 5:04:43 AM PDT by cantfindagoodscreenname
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To: MortMan

We are thinking the same way.

I also like the bit about "homophobic". If a person disagrees with them then they are "homophobic". The D-rats/Libs claim its the Repubs who lable and name call. Not the way I see it.

Have a nice NC Dixie Day.


18 posted on 08/24/2005 5:06:42 AM PDT by PeteB570
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To: Hadean
"If this becomes a reality the Democratic Party will be forced to make a choice: fully embrace homosexual equality or continue a vague promotion of tolerance. The first is the right thing to do...."

Huh? That is called a bare assertion. A statement without any basis whatsoever.

Needle sharing and man-to-man sex gave us the worldwide AIDS pandemic. That is reason enough for the public and minorities to NEVER embrace homosexuality even if the Democrats do.

There is a choice the article omits entirely. The Democrats could return to moral values and family values and stop this artificial "tolerance" that is destroying them.

19 posted on 08/24/2005 5:08:25 AM PDT by NetValue (No enemy has inflicted as much damage on America as liberals.)
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To: Hadean
get back into the closet.
20 posted on 08/24/2005 5:10:19 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (see my FR page for a link to the tribute to Terri Schaivo, a short video presentation.)
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