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To: ClancyJ
Just what could possibly be the result of us pulling out of Iraq? Could it be the terrorists would take over and have an entire country to further their terrorist agenda?

It's possible that the hundreds of thousands, even over a million Iraqi males eligible to crush the insurgency would actually crush the insurgency. Why does everyone think that Iraqis can't handle this problem when they have no one else to handle it for them? We're enabling them in their infantilism.

71 posted on 08/23/2005 9:07:02 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
It's possible that the hundreds of thousands, even over a million Iraqi males eligible to crush the insurgency would actually crush the insurgency. Why does everyone think that Iraqis can't handle this problem when they have no one else to handle it for them? We're enabling them in their infantilism.

It's pretty obvious you don't know very much about the M.E. Before you are allowed to pose that question...you have to answer the question on how 20% of the country imposed it's will on the other 80% of the country for damn near 50 years....

107 posted on 08/23/2005 9:43:53 AM PDT by Getsmart64
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Enabling them? Right - that is the purpose - to enable them to see that they have an opportunity of freedom and we are there to show them.

You know full well that they did not have the knowledge, the strength or the mindset to set up a democracy on their own. Afterall, they had generations of oppression as their heritage. How would you expect them to even know what democracy is? It is not something taught on their tv's.

When the people in the middle east get a taste of freedom, they themselves will see that a better life is available and that it is within their reach. Of course, each of them individually is a target of local terrorists that are united.

It is totally unrealistic to think that Iraqi citizens will dream up democracy, unify (without being slaughtered), teach others that a new life is worth fighting for, and have the skills and the equipment to mount a fight for democracy.

We have to stop the terrorists there in the middle east before they launch nuclear bombs on our cities. We would prefer fighting them in their homeland rather than ours. And, while there, we can train, teach and backup the Iraqis that come to see we are offering a wonderful chance for a new country for them - they must take it or live as slaves for ages.

Of course, this means you have to understand that even if we come home or had stayed home, the terrorists want to kill us and destroy America. It does not matter what we do.

Of course if you are of the persuasion that America is the evil one and caused all their own resentment, of course, you won't see this.

But, it is time that we wake up and realize that what the media presents as the truth is what the terrorists wish us to believe. Why do you think we have not been attacked here? Because an attack here would again mount a battle so fierce that even more terrorists would be condemned to hide in caves.

Instead, they prefer to work through our own media to plant the seeds of distrust of America's motives, to encourage the thought that there is nothing to fight for, that our soldiers are being killed needlessly. How much money do you think it would take to bribe our media moguls, our reporters?

A lot less money than mounting an attack and a lot safer for the likes of bin Laden. And, how wonderful that he would be able to bring America down through America's own people - same as we are doing in Iraq.

People need to look beyond their own selfish desires and see the big picture.

George Bush is right - freedom in the middle east is the most profound change we can bring for the future safety of America and the world. Don't know if we can do it - but, possibly with the Lord's help, it can be done.


112 posted on 08/23/2005 9:48:50 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Life is a God-given inalienable right to all Americans - not just the chosen ones.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Why does everyone think that Iraqis can't handle this problem when they have no one else to handle it for them? We're enabling them in their infantilism.

If the problem were only with Iraqi 'insurgents' they would probably be handling it themselves already.

However, the 'this problem' involves Jordanian, Iranian, Syrian and Saudi terrorists as well.

It's our 'problem' too. That's why we're there.

122 posted on 08/23/2005 10:13:02 AM PDT by ohioWfan (If my people which are called by my name will humble themselves and pray......)
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