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To: Map Kernow
"What then is your interest in defending people who hire illegals, and people who come here illegally to work illegally?"

I don't defend them for breaking the law, but I don't stick my head in the sand and refuse to recognize reality.

Reality is that illegals contribute $800 Billion to our GDP, that our economy is dependent upon them, that we have aborted 45 million American babies, that unemployment is dangerously low at 5%, and that our immigration laws are in dire need of reform.

I don't personally know any firemen either, but I fully appreciate the need for them.

Why do you resent people who come here to do jobs you don't want to take? Someone has to do those jobs.

241 posted on 08/22/2005 4:21:56 PM PDT by bayourod (Blue collar foreign laborers create white collar jobs. If they come they will build it.)
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To: bayourod

"Why do you resent people who come here to do jobs you don't want to take?"


Why do you resent hispanics and africans, and prefer western europeans as immigrants....yet call anyone who opposes illegal immigration a "racist"?




http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1449544/posts?page=72#72

Not me. As I've posted before, I have no affinity for Mexicans or Americans of Hispanic descent.

To recognize that foreign laborers are essential right now to sustaining our economy does not mean that I am particularly fond of Hispanics.

If I had my personal preference, instead of Mexican laborers, we would have Western European laborers with blond hair and blue eyes pouring across our borders bringing their beautiful daughters. But that isn't reality. Neither is "sealing the border".

To recognize that Republicans must not unnecessarily alienate Hispanic voters with gratuitous insults if we hope to keep Hillary out of the White House is not the same as saying that I want to invite them to live in my house.

However all my relations with Hispanics have been good. Can't say that about Nigerians and half a dozen other types.

72 posted on 07/24/2005 3:47:25 PM CDT by bayourod


243 posted on 08/22/2005 4:32:31 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. -Churchill)
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To: bayourod
I don't defend them for breaking the law, but I don't stick my head in the sand and refuse to recognize reality.

Oh, I'm sorry. I meant to say you excuse them for breaking the law. Big difference.

Reality is that illegals contribute $800 Billion to our GDP,

Only Raul Hinojosa, ethnic apologist, says so. You and the Republican Party getting your talking points from HIM now????

that our economy is dependent upon them,

No, scofflaw employers are "dependent" on them, only in the sense that they don't want to obey the law and pay a wage competitive for LEGAL workers, or pay benefits that taxpaying chumps have to pay for instead. And since that's their "dependency," I'm more than happy to cut them off "cold turkey."

that we have aborted 45 million American babies,

A irrelevant and deeply disgusting attempt to emotionally link the illegal immigration issue to pro-life sentiment.

that unemployment is dangerously low at 5%,

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! Yeah, we can't have less than 5% of our able-bodied citizenry unemployed! Your scofflaw clientele might have to hire LEGAL WORKERS!!!

and that our immigration laws are in dire need of reform.

Sez you and your abuela. 80% of America's citizens disagree with you.

I don't personally know any firemen either, but I fully appreciate the need for them.

Yeah, all the firemen I know are working illegally, as "vigilante firemen." [/bitter sarcasm]

Why do you resent people who come here to do jobs you don't want to take? Someone has to do those jobs.

Someone legal. Not necessarily me. But someone in compliance with the laws my representatives passed. Why? Because I and my fellow citizens are masters in our own home. That's why.

247 posted on 08/22/2005 4:43:00 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: bayourod
I don't defend them for breaking the law, but I don't stick my head in the sand and refuse to recognize reality.

Does this "reality" thing of which you speak go anything like this:

If I had my personal preference, instead of Mexican laborers, we would have Western European laborers with blond hair and blue eyes pouring across our borders bringing their beautiful daughters. But that isn't reality.

Reality is that illegals contribute $800 Billion to our GDP,

If they supply so much to our economy, and in fact are keeping it from collapsing, then why do they have to live in such squalid conditions? Why aren't they allowed to reap the benefits which they are solely responsible for creating?

Oh yeah, now I remember - you have no idea how the migrant workers are affected by all this. Funny, for someone who acs like such an expert on the subject, I'd think you'd at least have SOME idea how this impacts the people who (you claim) are literally responsible for keeping this economy from collapsing. Think you might be doing a little research on it in the near future?

that we have aborted 45 million American babies

"We"? Who is this "we"? Could it be the "Nigerians, and a half dozen other types" that don't meet your high standards?

Oh yeah - 45 million aborted children also means 45 million less people for whom these "jobs need to be done." The US takes in a million immigrants legally each year, so that should cover the one million annual abortions. But hey, keep on using this one - it would be funny if it weren't so sick.

that unemployment is dangerously low at 5%,

Uh-oh, not enough people out of work! Well, we must do something about THAT, toot-sweet!

Why do you resent people who come here to do jobs you don't want to take? Someone has to do those jobs.

Like operating a leaf blower at 8:00 in the morning? Yeah, I wonder how we'll get by...

248 posted on 08/22/2005 4:49:37 PM PDT by cartman90210 ("Sorry kids, those people from the future will do the same job for 25 cents!")
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To: bayourod
Reality is that illegals contribute $800 Billion to our GDP, that our economy is dependent upon them, that we have aborted 45 million American babies, that unemployment is dangerously low at 5%, and that our immigration laws are in dire need of reform.

There's nothing special or magical about illegal alien workers. If legal immigrants filled these jobs, they would be the ones contributing this $800 Billion (if accurate) to our country's GDP.

Why do you resent people who come here to do jobs you don't want to take? Someone has to do those jobs.

I resent illegal aliens because they're violating our immigration laws and other laws.

260 posted on 08/22/2005 5:17:18 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: bayourod
Reality is that illegals contribute $800 Billion to our GDP,

Liar.

that our economy is dependent upon them,

Liar.

that we have aborted 45 million American babies, that unemployment is dangerously low at 5%, and that our immigration laws are in dire need of reform.

Yes. How that ties in with your prior statement is anyone's guess. Are you bipolar?

Why do you resent people who come here to do jobs you don't want to take? Someone has to do those jobs.

There is no such thing as "jobs no one wants to take." If you understood Capitalism in the tiniest bit, there are only "jobs no one wants to take at the prices being offered. If we didn't have the illegals, wages would rise to were they should be and teens would be doing these low=wage obs while they and everyone else works up the rung.

There is only one solution. Round up all illegals, send them home, close the border and make everyone from everywhere follow the same rules for legal immigration.

You and your ilk will be responsible for the destruction of the USA. You encourage lawlessness and support the drain on our economy. I hope you choke on it when an illegal rapes your daughter (or, preferably, you) since so may of them are criminals -- their first criminal act being breaching our borders or depresses wages so low that they are a permanent underclass and your personal taxes go up so high you can never get ahead. I hope you lose your your neighborhood to 20-people-at-a-time in a 2-bedroom house with 5 to 10 cars, 3 of which work at any given moment. I wish upon you your house to be worth 1/5th of what you paid for it.

I hope your local hospitals and trauma centers shut down and you have a massive heart attack. And that the ambulance drivers and attendants can't understand your English.

In other words, I wish upon you what you wish upon the USA, you traitor. Since I know you don't have to live with any of these things I have described which are the very real costs of illegal immigration you white wine liberal.

272 posted on 08/22/2005 5:34:12 PM PDT by Shazbot29 (Light a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day; light him on fire, he'll be warm the rest of his life)
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