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To: milford421
No, I didn't...I did cite another example of the inequal treatment of women under sharia...

You cited an example where a woman divorcing her husband must give back her wedding money. Is English so hard?

I have, repeatedly. Islamic law is based on the quran.

You have not shown one passage that prohibits a woman from divorcing her husband.

Oh really? According to whom?

Religious census. Depending on the source, Catholics aren't even the majority of Christians in the world.

No, again, sharia is NOT "Subject to interpretation". It is, islamic law and it IS currently in practice today in Nigeria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.

All of which practice it differently. Shari'a wasn't handed down by Mohammed long ago. It is not one document. It is purely the result of interpretations of Muslim religious texts and even the opinions of prior religious scholars, their attempt at putting the "will of Allah" as they see it into law. The culture where the shari'a was derived also has an influence.

I suggest you actually read a "book"

Any encyclopedia will tell you I'm right. Just look up the definition of Fiqh to see that there are differing views on shari'a and which Hadith are to be believed. A Hanafi ruling will probably be quite different than a Jaferi one.

283 posted on 08/24/2005 2:32:40 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

No surprises here. You didn't actually READ the Iraqi constitution. Under islamic law, apostasy IS a crime.


Islamic law when implemented DOES NOT differ from region to region. If you were at all familiar with it, you never would have claimed otherwise.

Article (90):


2nd -- The Supreme Federal Court will be made up of a number of judges and experts in Sharia (Islamic Law) and law, whose number and manner of selection will be defined by a law that should be passed by two-thirds of the parliament members.

Text of the Draft Iraqi Constitution - 2

CHAPTER ONE: BASIC PRINCIPLES

Article (1): The Republic of Iraq is an independent, sovereign nation, and the system of rule in it is a democratic, federal, representative (parliamentary) republic.

Article (2):

1st -- Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation:


Pay attention here:

(a) No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam.

Of course you don't have a clue as to what that means, but the rest of the thinking world does.



284 posted on 08/25/2005 7:24:05 AM PDT by milford421
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To: antiRepublicrat

I originally stated that under islamic law women cannot initiate divorce.

You claimed otherwise, no less than 7 or eight times I believe.

Here's one: "Actually, you haven't submitted anything in the Quran stating that a woman can't initiate divorce.

I did advise you in the beginning of our discussion to READ.

A woman CANNOT, repeat CANNOT initiate divorce under islamic law.

Shall I repeat that again for you? She CANNOT initiate divorce.

Once more with emphasis? She CANNOT INITIATE divorce.

Is it becoming clear now? I gave you the opportunity, 7 or 8 times, to "catch" what you overlooked so you wouldn't look foolish.

Again, you are either ignorant or willfully attempting to deceive.

Here's what that "big" word you used from your google search actually means:

Under islamic law, a woman cannot anul the marriage on her own, (her husband can and for no reason) She must REQUEST permission from an Islamic judge to decide if she has valid reason for the "khul".

That is to say that she does not have the same right that an Islamic man enjoys in getting rid of his unwanted wives at his whims and fancies and she is unable to INITIATE the proceedings.

In addition, A woman has to ransom herself to be free from her tyrannical husband; she can ransom herself from her husband for more than he gave her…29.10.32

The ‘khul’ is an expensive process on the part of an Islamic woman to get rid of her unwanted husband. She must pay an amount that may (or may not) exceed the amount of mahr that she received from her husband after the consummation of marriage. Even when a husband beats her severely by breaking her bones, she still has to pay the husband to get rid of the tyrant.

AntiRepublicrat would have you believe women are treated equally on this too.

I stated: You make the wildest, baseless accusations based on nothing but your opinion.


You claim: "Religious census. Depending on the source, Catholics aren't even the majority of Christians in the world."

Census? Source? What source?
YOU are not a source...

Your opinions are irrelevant.










285 posted on 08/25/2005 7:48:20 AM PDT by milford421
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