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To: milford421
In other words, your reasoning

Not my reasoning, their reasoning, which was applicable in their society. I notice you quote a lot of Hadith instead of Quran. You may want to know that not all Hadith is universally accepted by all Muslims. They were also often written by the same type of misogynists that are in charge of most Muslim countries today.

But even so, SHE CANNOT, under sharia, initiate a divorce.

I never claimed she gets half of his assets (which itself would cause problems if he had more than one wife). You, however, claimed she cannot initiate divorce, which she clearly can.

In light of the above, it is apparent islamic law needs to evolve much, much more in it's consideration of women.

Of course it does. I never claimed otherwise. But it is not as bad as people such as you claim it is. What is bad is misogynistic interpretations.

258 posted on 08/23/2005 10:07:53 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

You prefer I quote quran regarding women's issues?

Happy to oblige:

Regarding women: Quran4:34 ( wife-beating)

Here's what I was stating about a woman’s testimony
Quran(2:282) and inheritance Quran(4:11) worth half of a man’s.

Note: these are islamic teachings, not just cultural ones.

Of course, I could go on...

You: "I never claimed she gets half of his assets (which itself would cause problems if he had more than one wife). You, however, claimed she cannot initiate divorce, which she clearly can."

You claimed women were treated equally, and then proceeded to make statements, as above, that prove in islamic law they clearly are NOT.

And again, a woman CANNOT initiate divorce proceedings. I've already documented this. Why do you persist in this deception?

"You may want to know that not all Hadith is universally accepted by all Muslims."

The Hadith Collections compiled by the Sunnah writers are said to explain the quran. They are, together with the quran, islam. I cite them as such a reference.

Do you accept, as a muslim, this hadith?

- in which Mohammad states most of hell's inhabitants are female and women are deficient in intelligence and piety?(Bukhari, I:6:304).


Is is unversally accepted by all muslims that they are allowed to pick and choose which hadith they accept? Do muslims not believe that the hadith are supposedly also "inspired" oral traditions that explain the quran?

Regarding sharia and your agreement that reform is needed:

"Of course it does. I never claimed otherwise.
But it is not as bad as people such as you claim it is."

Oh yes it is, in fact much worse than you are willing to admit, or accept. We have not begun to discuss the non-muslims subjected to islamic law.

You: "What is bad is misogynistic interpretations."

And what is worse is taqqiyya.


260 posted on 08/23/2005 10:59:52 AM PDT by milford421
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To: antiRepublicrat
Of course it does. I never claimed otherwise. But it is not as bad as people such as you claim it is. What is bad is misogynistic interpretations.

Is there any definitive codification of sharia?

261 posted on 08/23/2005 12:19:20 PM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." – Frederick Douglass)
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