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Posted on 08/22/2005 11:13:09 AM PDT by Charlesj
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To: churchillbuff
I'm not. That's one reason why I opposed this invasion -- and sending American troops to die in Iraq -- from the beginning. The country was a 4th rate military power, didn't have WMDs, wasn't being 9-11, and couldn't be "changed" into a democracy. Iraq is already a good step down the road towards becoming a democracy. It just won't be a democracy exactly like our own. Not really surprising. American-style democracy has never really been exportable. Democracy, with local characteristics, is a different matter.
lot of blood spilled in behalf of utopian fantasies by policy gurus who almost uniformly don't have any kids or kin in the military.
IIRC, the members of Congress have a higher rate of children and relatives in the military than the population as a whole.
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posted on
08/22/2005 11:59:22 AM PDT
by
Modernman
("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
To: ZULU
we did not conduct the same kind of war against iraq, that we did against germany and japan.
To: Charlesj
To: oceanview
if US public support for the war was 65%, Bush could tell this interim government to take a hike and we could start over. we can't do that. You've got that backwards. If our President would tell them to take a hike and do this thing right... then the support would be 65%.
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posted on
08/22/2005 12:00:46 PM PDT
by
kjam22
To: Charlesj
"Constitution says laws must conform to Islam"
Oh, *their* Constitution. I was afraid I'd overslept by 20 years and it meant *ours*.
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posted on
08/22/2005 12:01:10 PM PDT
by
PLMerite
("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
To: oceanview
Perhaps....... THAT is the problem.
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posted on
08/22/2005 12:01:31 PM PDT
by
ZULU
(Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
To: RockinRight
I agree. Sharia is the antithesis of democracy. They can put lipstick on that pig all they want by calling it a Constitution but it's still a pig. (if this report is accurate)
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posted on
08/22/2005 12:01:31 PM PDT
by
Let's Roll
( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
To: Modernman
. It just won't be a democracy exactly like our own."""
That's for sure. More like Iran's.
To: kjam22
Good Lord, they're really out today...
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posted on
08/22/2005 12:02:23 PM PDT
by
Warren_Piece
(Large buttocks are pleasing to me, nor am I able to lie concerning this matter)
To: kjam22
no, it would drop to 30%. if Bush went to a microphone tonight and proclaimed that the interim government has failed, and we had to start over, US public approval for the war would not rise to 65%. that's a fantasy.
To: Warren_Piece
Our president never had higher support than when he drew the line in the sand. When he promised the American people retaliation for 9-11. When he said to the world it was our way or the highway. That is what our people expect if he intends to send our guys into combat.
When this became a political war, when we backed out of fallujah for fear of angering moderate muslims... etc etc.. that's when the support began to fade.
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posted on
08/22/2005 12:05:02 PM PDT
by
kjam22
To: Let's Roll
Just how many Wahhabists do you think are in Iraq? Sharia is a Wahhabist concept. The lack of discernment I'm seeing today from supposedly serious adults is shocking.
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posted on
08/22/2005 12:05:28 PM PDT
by
Warren_Piece
(Large buttocks are pleasing to me, nor am I able to lie concerning this matter)
To: frgoff; swarthyguy
Because western pornagraphy, alcoholism and sluttish dress are the true indicators of freedom?
Yes. Freedom means the right to choose things that you and I might not like. Freedom also means the right to make the wrong choices.
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posted on
08/22/2005 12:05:35 PM PDT
by
highball
("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
To: Warren_Piece
so are you predicting that the constitution will be voted down?
To: oceanview
I don't agree with you. Just go back and listen to the speaches that were given and the support he had. And look at what was being said when the support dried up.
Americans will get behind a president who is serious about eliminating terrorism. But they are not interested in fighting a politically correct war. That's the bottom line.
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posted on
08/22/2005 12:06:34 PM PDT
by
kjam22
To: highball
You expected a libertarian republic in the Middle East? Sheesh, even if Bush dictated the constitution itself, you wouldn't get that. He's no libertarian, you know.
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posted on
08/22/2005 12:07:10 PM PDT
by
Warren_Piece
(Large buttocks are pleasing to me, nor am I able to lie concerning this matter)
To: highball
so if the new iraq wanted to become a terror state, that's OK with you?
To: kjam22
"The WH told us we were going to plant freedom, a democracy... and one that would help end terrorism. That's what I expect them to do (even though I know it's a pipe dream)"
You seem to believe that once the people tasted freedom they would throw away their religion and join the kingdom of Jesus Christ.
The White House NEVER said we were going to Iraq to convert them to good Christians.
There are Muslim democracy's in the world and Iraq is one of them.
Don't let your blind bigotry destroy your common sense.
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posted on
08/22/2005 12:07:42 PM PDT
by
JeffersonRepublic.com
(There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
To: Charlesj
First, Ridiculous statement.
Second, I would wait to see the final document before you all go into hysterics. (Shades of Bashing Bush when everyone KNEW Judge Edith Clement was his SC nominee)
Third, according to
http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/ which is running commentary on the constitution process:
"Regarding Islam and the constitution: it was agreed upon that no laws that are against the widely agreed upon values of Islam can be issued and no laws that are against the values of democracy and human rights can be issued."
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posted on
08/22/2005 12:08:15 PM PDT
by
Republican Red
(''Van der Sloot" is Dutch for ''Kennedy.")
To: Charlesj; ValenB4; billbears
A draft constitution for Iraq to be presented to parliament on Monday will make Islam "a main source" for legislation and ban laws that contradict religious teachings, members of the parliamentary drafting panel said.
Might I suggest a different foreign policy approach...
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posted on
08/22/2005 12:08:41 PM PDT
by
sheltonmac
(QUIS CUSTODIET IPSOS CUSTODES)
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