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To: Youngblood
What does that have to do with this debate?

There seems to be a lot of passion being expended over this issue, and I wonder why. How pollywogs evolved into pussycats could not possibly be farther from the day to day concerns of modern existance. And yet, Darwinists and Doubters "clash".

One point on which the existance of the Creator does impact my life is in my relationship with this particular government. I very much like my Life, my Liberty, and my pursuit of Happiness, and wish to maintain those things. My concern is that many of the people who advocate a Creator-free creation are the very same people who advocate creeping governmental incrementalism taking over more and more control over day-to-day life.

It is almost as if man needs a big, controlling influence that is beyond mortal control or understanding. If the Creator is rejected, they will find a substitute in overarching government.

That is what my point has to do with this debate. Since message board is more concerned with Constitutional government than pollywogs and pussycats, it seemed appropriate to bring it up.

35 posted on 08/22/2005 7:08:09 AM PDT by gridlock (IF YOU'RE NOT CATCHING FLAK, YOU'RE NOT OVER THE TARGET...)
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To: gridlock
It is almost as if man needs a big, controlling influence that is beyond mortal control or understanding. If the Creator is rejected, they will find a substitute in overarching government.

But this is argument from the consequences. You are suggesting that a position be accepted not because of its truth value, but because of the consquences that you assert for not accepting it. Are you seriously suggesting that we abandon logic and reason and instead accept premises based upon whether or not we simply want them to be true?
42 posted on 08/22/2005 7:27:31 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: gridlock
One point on which the existance of the Creator does impact my life is in my relationship with this particular government. I very much like my Life, my Liberty, and my pursuit of Happiness, and wish to maintain those things. My concern is that many of the people who advocate a Creator-free creation are the very same people who advocate creeping governmental incrementalism taking over more and more control over day-to-day life.

It is almost as if man needs a big, controlling influence that is beyond mortal control or understanding. If the Creator is rejected, they will find a substitute in overarching government.

Are you really citing as proof of God the fact that you really, really want Him to exist so you can feel better about your rights?

Or are you simply satisfied with the perception that there is a God, and don't really care if it is true as long as the masses continue to believe enough not challenge your right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

45 posted on 08/22/2005 7:31:12 AM PDT by Antonello
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To: gridlock

How pollywogs evolved into pussycats could not possibly be farther from the day to day concerns of modern existance.
*** I like what you had to say & how you said it. Hopefully it survives the fire of criticism of the reasoning behind it.


179 posted on 08/22/2005 2:11:52 PM PDT by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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