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To: Vive ut Vivas
Was your point not that if God exists, then there exists eternal punishment for those who took them away?

Yes. Assuming by "them" you mean rights.

And that either that's the truth, or there is no God? Because surely you realize that there are many different religions and Gods in the world. It's not either yours or nothing.

Ah, the old try to drive a wedge between the non-atheist factions trick. Let's take it point by point:

And that either that's the truth, or there is no God?

Correct, although I didn't specify a God of any particular religion.

Because surely you realize that there are many different religions and Gods in the world.

True but irrelevant. I do realize that -- otherwise it would have been difficult for me to name three of them. You are using the same false conclusion that most non-believers reach about the five blind men feeling the elephant -- because they feel different parts of the elephant they have different opinions of what an elephant is like. But you seem to be saying that the fact that they disagree on what the elephant is like proves there is no elephant. Either that or your are getting bogged down in the tangential issue of how what I say may offend those who have different religious beliefs, which is irrelevant to the point.

It's not either yours or nothing.

Again you focus purely on human perception and hide from my point: There either is a Supreme Being (maybe you like that word better) or Force that holds court at the end of life and renders justice and mercy in a Final Reckoning, or there isn't. And if there isn't, then please tell me, how does life have any inherent purpose of meaning? Don't tell me that other people believe differently because I know that and it is irrelevant to the point.

(Besides, can you name any major religions that don't preach eternal punishment, karma, or some kind of blowback for evil deeds?)

This is over and against the other poster's idea that we should rely on the concept of "enlightened self-interest" to pull civilization through, it was not in opposition to anyone's particular religion, which is how you seem to be interpreting it. I was not arguing against anyone's particular interpretation of God or the afterlife, I was only pointing out that there are grave consequences to the interpretation that there is no afterlife at all. Your divide and conquer strategy failed.

And whether it's one or three makes no difference.

Then why does it make a difference whether there is one or three or "many different religions"?

228 posted on 08/22/2005 3:57:38 PM PDT by Zhangliqun (Hating Bush does not count as a strategy for defeating Islamic terrorism.)
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229 posted on 08/22/2005 4:19:35 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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