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To: andy58-in-nh; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; ..
nor do I owe "society" one Goddamned thing.

Tell it for example to the tax collector. You owe society a lot.

You refer to God by your curse word and yet you owe your family, friends, neighbors, local community, even strangers to give in the end the account before the Highest Judge. Those who claim not to be their brothers keepers will share the lot of Cain.

Society is the true ideological abstraction - Freedom is not.

Human beings ALWAYS were part of their societies. Societies, tribes, families were before individuals and before the modern concept of freedom (invented in the last few centuries). Society is not abstraction (unless you mean by it the XVIIIc idea of mythical contract based association of primordial individuals).

The true freedom in traditional meaning is a gift of God which enables us to SERVE Him out of our free choice and not by compulsion.

159 posted on 08/23/2005 6:35:50 AM PDT by A. Pole (Mandarin Meng-tzu: "The duty of the ruler is to ensure the prosperous livelihood of his subjects.")
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To: A. Pole
Wrong again, mon Socialist nouveau (My pet name for Right-wing collectivists).

I pay taxes so that the US Government will protect me, my family, and my property from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Most of the other costs of Government were incurred without my consent, and I disagree with a majority of them. Nonetheless, we live in a democratic Republic, and until I can change things, I agree to pay tribute to the crooks in Congress who insist on buying other people's votes with my money. It's cheaper than fighting the bastards.

Now if you don't like that I took the Lord's name in vain, I apologize, first because I believe in Him, and second, because I shouldn't let my anger at the Looting Class get the best of me. That said, you are correct that tribalism predates Liberty. Democratic capitalism is a relatively new concept in human development. It was predated by dictatorship, monarchy, theocracy, and brute force, none of which immediately present themselves as morally superior alternatives. I think the best way we can serve the Lord is by doing His work on Earth. In purely economic terms, that means by being productive, voluntarily generous, and by not coveting thy neighbor's ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor's. If you saw my neighbor's ass, you'd understand. PS - a sense of humor is also indispensible to happiness.

161 posted on 08/23/2005 4:59:11 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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