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To: Marine_Uncle
"Perhaps some one can help all of us that may not understand just how the National Archive retrieval system operates to fill us in. If it turns out the NA allows someone to remove an original document from the archives, then yet again we have a bunch of as*hole* working in the beltway that are totally beyond comprehension."

Remember hearing/reading that as well. . .that they were copies of originals - not THE originals. But do not know the truth of the matter.

For sure; the response was genuinely assinine or worse; the only thing these security people did not do; was to tell Berger to fix his pants before leaving. . . or maybe they did.

246 posted on 08/21/2005 9:51:45 PM PDT by cricket (color me. . .Republican)
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To: cricket

"For sure; the response was genuinely assinine or worse; the only thing these security people did not do; was to tell Berger to fix his pants before leaving. . . or maybe they did."

Apparently Bergler was allowed over a period of time, to remove things from the archive, while being observed, best I can make of it was it was a sting operation, he was video taped a number of times removing things. Knowing what he signed for on a given day, verse video, and perhaps human observations that keep notes, the finally grabbed em.
That is my understanding on how the deal went down.

But just to briefly itereate. The Sandy Burger crime and the DoD/DIA Able Danger deal or two seperate incidence.

We only guess at what the National Security Advisor may have removed and destroyed.
The other event is:
Department of Defense major Schaffer is a liason officer between the DoD and the Defense Intellegience Agency (DIA)
Able Danger group.
As we all are aware, the AD group where mining raw data on what they believed where Al Queda operators, e.g. Atta.
Major Schaffer, now a Lieutenant Colonel, came forth after most likely meeting with R-Rep Curt Weldon, to break the story that the 9/11 Commission did not pay proper attention to the information both verbal and writen the Major and representatives of the Able Danger unit provided the 9/11 Staff members. The Major during the during the data gathering process period, and most probably the AD members where told more then once not to make contact with the FBI.
It would only appear a resonable thing to assume both the DoD and DIA lawyers told the Major and the AD people respectiely not to say anything on their findings. Keep it quiet, in a spirit to adhere to the memos produced by the DoJ, Assistant Attorney General, Jamie Gorelick.

So the issues brought out in this thread concerning Sandy Burger are somewhat misplaced in we are dealing with two seperate issues. Whether what Burger was looking for has any bearings on the case is almost inmaterial. He probably was looking for many things. And whatever he many have discoverd at the NA regarding mention to an DIA operation surely would not contain much of what then Major Schaffer and a few DIA personel had tried to present to the 9/11 Staffers. We must remember, only a part of the data was shown to the Staffers, then the DIA/DoD people where dismissed. Most probably much of the stuff that was never shown (amoung those claimed 15 boxes) represents the whole story that would prove that Atta and the rest of the Broklyn cell where indeed inside the country prior to the GWB taking office. That is a quick summary of what I believe should be considered in this thread. No response required, unless something further is to be discussed/rebutted.


266 posted on 08/22/2005 9:37:23 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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