[wagglebee]

You can watch the C-Span interview, I'm having problems with Real Player.
http://www.c-span.org/search/basic.asp?ResultStart=1&ResultCount=10&BasicQueryText=shaffer&image1.x=0&image1.y=0&image1=Submit

[SeaBiscuit]

Thanks for the link. Darn, no realyplayer installed.