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Lt. Col. Shaffer: Able Danger Docs Disappeared
NewsMax ^ | 8/21/05 | NewsMax

Posted on 08/21/2005 2:52:23 PM PDT by wagglebee

Documents detailing the work of a top secret military intelligence unit that identified lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta before the 9/11 attacks have disappeared, according to the Defense Intelligence Agency's liaison for the group, code named Able Danger.

"There's some troubling things that have happened both to me and the way the [Able Danger] information [was handled]," Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer told C-Span's "Sunday Morning Journal." "Shortly after I talked to the 9/11 Commission, there was some issues going on about the documentation. Right now as it stands this minute, to my knowledge, the documentation I had . . . we don't know where it is."

"It's not where I left it back in March of 2003," Shaffer said, which was "in a Department intelligence facility in the Northern Virginia area."

Shaffer told C-Span he had "one full set of Able Danger documents in my holdings from the DIA."

The Able Danger whistleblower had said previously that a member of the team had delivered two briefcases full of documents to the 9/11 Commission - but Commission spokesman have said they have found nothing that mentioned Atta by name.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; 911commission; abledanger; anthonyshaffer; atta; clinton; coverup; gorelickmemo; missingdocuments; sandyberger; whitewash
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To: wagglebee

Even if a photo emerged with Saddam's arm around Bin Laden at Salman Pak, folks would still remain unconvinced...


141 posted on 08/21/2005 5:24:46 PM PDT by sono
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To: wagglebee

bump for later reading


142 posted on 08/21/2005 5:25:51 PM PDT by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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To: alrea
LOL and for sure. . ."caring Democrats" are safe from media scrutiny. (I mean who knew Kerry and Clinton were 'Air-Ameriscam' investors. . .)

Well, I didn't anyway. . .but another case of . . .If it were a Repub. . .

143 posted on 08/21/2005 5:26:33 PM PDT by cricket (color me. . .Republican)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

read the thread, most people here who seem to be in the know regarding how classified documents are handled, say that he cannot have copies of these documents sitting around in his house. now if he has some stashed copies of them, he had better start leaking them now, because this thing is going to be swept under the rug otherwise.


144 posted on 08/21/2005 5:26:46 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: wagglebee

Well, that's the difference between the United States and China or the old Soviet Union. In those countries, the government would have tortured Shaffer to death in some back room the moment he opened his mouth. Our government is much more humane - they just make the documents disappear and leave Shaffer looking like an idiot. Achieves the same end with less of a mess. ;)


145 posted on 08/21/2005 5:27:16 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Feelings are not a tool of cognition, therefore they are not a criterion of morality." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: wagglebee

Thanks for the link. Darn, no realyplayer installed.


146 posted on 08/21/2005 5:28:53 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and Friends, the rest can go to hell.)
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To: wagglebee
Thanks for the link. I listened to the whole show. A Freeper called in. He thanked Lt. Col. Shaffer for being a great patriot and said many people appreciate his efforts, especially those at Free Republic.

Anyone know who called in?

147 posted on 08/21/2005 5:33:50 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: tsmith130

What was his name?


148 posted on 08/21/2005 5:34:53 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: tsmith130

did the callers (or the host even) follow up on this question about where the documents are?


149 posted on 08/21/2005 5:35:59 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Marine_Uncle
Out of the entire group involved in Able Danger someone has to have copies in electronic or print out form. I do it at work myself because when I work on really important things I don't even trust the IT guy to protect me from lost time and a deadline that doesn't understand computer failure or a lousy IT manager, I need assurance.

Almost everyone I work with in my office has the ability to burn a CD and I do often as a data CD that can be reused. If someone didn't retain all the information considering its size, I would bet the most important information was.

CYA always.
150 posted on 08/21/2005 5:39:08 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (The alternative media is our Enigma machine.)
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To: jra

To an extent?

They're all buddies...all in on it together. It's a matter of which side will do less damage.


151 posted on 08/21/2005 5:39:39 PM PDT by nosurrender
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To: oceanview

"...now if he has some stashed copies of them, he had better start leaking them now, because this thing is going to be swept under the rug otherwise."

Sadly if he has copies, he will end up pounding rocks, he is not a Sandy Burgler.


152 posted on 08/21/2005 5:41:05 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: TheForceOfOne

but in an environment where the material is classified, having individual people making CD copies of it and taking them home, is not going to be the normal mode of operation.


153 posted on 08/21/2005 5:44:31 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
all of the paper trail for this is gone? how is that possible, in the age of computers,

Lt. Col. Shaffer is a flake?

154 posted on 08/21/2005 5:45:31 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Republican Red
"I thought I heard on Tony Snow show last week that the other members of Able Danger DO have documents. If I remembering correctly, the other AD guys are trying to get clearance to come forward. They do have copies or other documentation."

Yes! I heard the SAME thing..........boy, I hope the others trying to get security clearance are HEAVILY, HEAVILY guarded, along with THEIR documentation............if not, THEN I'd say 'good chance of this goin' nowhere!!'

155 posted on 08/21/2005 5:46:47 PM PDT by soozla (Some people bring happiness when they enter the room and others........when they leave it.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

What the hell does the O\S have to do with backup systems? I've seen no backups on Unix as well. Hell, I've seen backups that have been corrupt since the day they started backups and therefore there are no backups. Personally, I do triple backups on my software (as well as offsite) and I run Windows. I dare say I run a better backup system than most Unix shops.

Oh, btw, Windows has been multi-user for a long time. They don't have to be which is why they took over the world: no more IT shops dictating policy (which software you install, when you can work, when you can use a tape drive, etc.). Thank God that communism failed and centralized IT went with it. Same mentality IMO.


156 posted on 08/21/2005 5:47:25 PM PDT by wireplay
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To: wideminded
Lt. Col. Shaffer is a flake?

What do we really know about this guy?

157 posted on 08/21/2005 5:50:13 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: wagglebee

They don't give names just locations. The caller was from Florida.


158 posted on 08/21/2005 5:50:58 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: JediForce
"So there may yet be a "trail" of communications to back up the claims Able Danger is making. If you catch my drift."

Well, I do. . .and I don't (!). . .but whatever the case; if there is political will for this. . .then what needs to be found, I am sure, will be.

For all this; do not understand, GW's 'endorsement and praise' of this Committee work. . . which he knew had to be fraudulent.

159 posted on 08/21/2005 5:51:24 PM PDT by cricket (color me. . .Republican)
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To: oceanview
did the callers (or the host even) follow up on this question about where the documents are?

Not the host or the callers.

160 posted on 08/21/2005 5:52:15 PM PDT by tsmith130
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