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To: Map Kernow
Rather than argue further with you,

I didn't mean to start an argument. I have been trying to sort things out for myself and appreciate polite input, even if I am taken to task for it. It's just nice to expect some reasonable discussion about deeper aspects of things once in awhile.

I guess by now I know that I hadn't ought to post anything that is "different" here and also fully understand that posting it on some leftist forum (fora for those in the mensa category) I would have caught flak, too.

No matter what I have ever thought or said, somebody is going to take issue with it.

If immigration is stopped dead in its tracks today, they will still breed to the point that my "ethnic group" will probably be in the minority. I can't help wondering how that is going to affect politics and how I or mine will be treated as minority status. I don't think they will have respect for hate speech laws and other forms of retribution when they achieve majority.

91 posted on 08/21/2005 12:55:13 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska
I didn't mean to start an argument. I have been trying to sort things out for myself and appreciate polite input, even if I am taken to task for it. It's just nice to expect some reasonable discussion about deeper aspects of things once in awhile.

I guess by now I know that I hadn't ought to post anything that is "different" here and also fully understand that posting it on some leftist forum (fora for those in the mensa category) I would have caught flak, too.

No matter what I have ever thought or said, somebody is going to take issue with it.

If immigration is stopped dead in its tracks today, they will still breed to the point that my "ethnic group" will probably be in the minority. I can't help wondering how that is going to affect politics and how I or mine will be treated as minority status. I don't think they will have respect for hate speech laws and other forms of retribution when they achieve majority.

Sorry if I took your post the wrong way. I didn't mean to be impolite, and with further discussion I find that there is indeed common ground between us. The bottom line for me is that I don't know how or why descendants of European immigrants (or African or Asian immigrants) to America should be held accountable for what was done to the Indians in terms of current immigration law, policy, or enforcement. It just doesn't have any relevance IMHO. Sorry if I made that point too strongly or discourteously.

94 posted on 08/21/2005 1:05:32 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Aliska

To answer that last question you also include rhetorically ("I think they will respect hate speech laws...").

No, I don't, and based upon what is easily observable today by many among many racial groups in the U.S., they don't now.

I lived in Hawaii for a long time and I can tell you that as a "white" person, there is outright disdain and utter lack of courtesy bordering on the outright destructive to and about white people there, by many who are of mixed ethnicity and just badly mannered, using the "racial" thing to mistreat who they can. And in Hawaii, white folks are the minority and they are mistreated terribly.

Except when you're an obvious tourist staying at a hotel, in which case they will sugar you to spend more. But, in general population in Hawaii (just go into most retail there and experience it for yourself if you are white), they openly revile white people.

Let's see...Hawaii is today populated by about (I approximate) 70% Asian/Polynesian, 20% White, 10% Japanese.

Same thing applies for most of California today, as to behaviors. The term, "hate speech" ONLY occurs when it is being levied against and about white people. And, lastly, the only time I EVER hear the dreaded "n" word is by black people, and the ONLY racial epithets I EVER hear are by Mexicans in CA about white people and in Hawaii, by the 70% about white people (but they also revile the Japanese, for an odd turn of events).


120 posted on 08/21/2005 5:52:45 PM PDT by BIRDS
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