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To: csense
...Unless you have some evidence of fraud, which I would be interested in seeing, as I've stated before, don't bother pinging me with any further nonsense.

May I take it, since the discussion of "fraud" you rather archly insist I am not joining, is about the credentials of the members of the Discovery Institute you listed, that if we can find the degrees awarded to any of these other gentlemen fall below the level of generally recognized accreditation institutions, that that would qualify as "fraud", and entitle me to enter the discussion?

422 posted on 08/22/2005 2:36:25 PM PDT by donh
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To: donh

"Science is interested in mundane material explanations of material phenomena, and has no useful, or particularly competent, opinions about additional metaphysical explanations beyond that."

Is science not interested in a material force external to this universe that creates this material universe and leaves evidence of such creation?


424 posted on 08/22/2005 2:57:17 PM PDT by LeftCoastNeoCon (Spell-check free and proud of it.)
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To: donh
May I take it, since the discussion of "fraud" you rather archly insist I am not joining, is about the credentials of the members of the Discovery Institute you listed, that if we can find the degrees awarded to any of these other gentlemen fall below the level of generally recognized accreditation institutions, that that would qualify as "fraud", and entitle me to enter the discussion?

Knock yourself out. But if you did just a little bit of research, then either, you would not have asked me that, or you would already have evidence available, because your argument is really with the accreditation services, and more specifically, NCAHLC and CACREP, links to which have already been posted in #407, and from which you can easily find their credentials.

NCAHLC:

The Higher Learning Commission is part of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools. The Association was founded in 1895 as a membership organization for educational institutions. It is committed to developing and maintaining high standards of excellence.

The Association is one of six regional institutional accrediting associations in the United States. Through its Commissions it accredits, and thereby grants membership to educational institutions in the nineteen-state North Central region: Arkansas, Arizona, Colorado, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, North Dakota, Nebraska, Ohio, Oklahoma, New Mexico, South Dakota, Wisconsin, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

The Higher Learning Commission is recognized by the US Department of Education and the Council on Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA).

Read the Commission's Mission Statement (39K PDF), adopted June 22, 2000.

Please Note: We often receive questions about the accreditation of distance learning programs. Since the Commission accredits entire institutions, rather than individual programs within those institutions, we do not have a list of external programs offered. However, we have compiled some resources for students seeking information on distance learning programs.

The other service, CACREP, you can research yourself.

Now, either these are legitimate accreditation services, or they are not. You should have enough information to figure that out.

431 posted on 08/22/2005 4:58:43 PM PDT by csense
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