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Panel on Prison Rape Hears Victims' Chilling Accounts
NY Times ^ | August 20, 2005 | CAROLYN MARSHALL

Posted on 08/20/2005 11:18:38 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: Loyalist

Rapists make their victims suffer that indignity without remorse. Perhaps they will learn in prison why that is so wrong.


121 posted on 08/20/2005 1:20:38 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: neverdem

Call the waaaaaaaambulance.


122 posted on 08/20/2005 1:25:23 PM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: pbrown
but nobody deserves to be raped in prison except child rapist themselves.

I disagree. Killers, rapists, drug kingpins, kidnappers, child molesters, etc. should ALL be cast down with the sodomites.

123 posted on 08/20/2005 1:27:16 PM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Luke21

If Dennis Rader (sp?) harmed or killed any children, he's in big trouble with other inmates no matter where he goes.


124 posted on 08/20/2005 1:30:06 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hey, Cindy Sheehan, grow up!)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Is it legal to have thorazine in jail?

It may be necessary in order to control psychotic schizophrenics. I'm sure this drugging of normal inmates is not condoned. I believe that by itself is an assault, let alone the rape.

I believe folks that commit rape in jail should get a life sentence. If they are knowingly HIV positive, and they commit rape in jail, they should be executed.

125 posted on 08/20/2005 1:30:34 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

The bottom line is, prisons have to prevent rape within their walls. If a victim contracts AIDS because of a prison rape, that's a lawsuit and a potentially grand settlement.


126 posted on 08/20/2005 1:32:16 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: pbrown

The classic example may be the guys who dragged the black man to death in Texas about five years ago.

There were repeated indications in the press that the perps, not long out of prison, might have been acting out hostility to black men based on their experiences in prison, if you get my drift. Nobody wanted to talk about it much because, if their "feelings" were given the break other victims get, it might "justify" what they did.

And of course we all no that white racism and hostility towards black people has no possible origin other than the evil built into the souls of white men.


127 posted on 08/20/2005 1:33:36 PM PDT by Restorer (Liberalism: the auto-immune disease of societies.)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace
This is just getting silly.

Getting? You're much too kind. It's been silly for a while now.

128 posted on 08/20/2005 1:37:02 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: misterrob

Re: post 127.

Sorry about not reading all posts before replying.


129 posted on 08/20/2005 1:39:36 PM PDT by Restorer (Liberalism: the auto-immune disease of societies.)
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To: neverdem

I wonder how Valerie Plame is doing these days? I wonder how many new friends she has, how many packs of cigarettes she is worth.


130 posted on 08/20/2005 1:39:48 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (The alternative media is our Enigma machine.)
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To: neverdem
I believe folks that commit rape in jail should get a life sentence. If they are knowingly HIV positive, and they commit rape in jail, they should be executed.

I concur...but there's a major problem: once the rapist gets the life sentence, what punishment do you then inflict? Double-secret-probation life sentence?

And hell, sentencing an HIV-positive rapist to death is an exercise in futility. What with all the automated appeals, the HIV+ prisoner will die of his disease long before his date with the executioner comes up.

Personally, I think all prisoners should be in solitary confinement and only allowed out of the cell when fitted with a shock collar. No TV. No cable. No girlie mags. No working out to be an even greater menace to society when they get released.

Inhumane? Perhaps...but it's a far cry from being raped by bubba, ain't it?

131 posted on 08/20/2005 1:40:58 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: Gunrunner2

Rape is cruel and unusual punishment. The Consttution prohibitis it.


132 posted on 08/20/2005 1:41:13 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Ciexyz
The bottom line is, prisons have to prevent rape within their walls. If a victim contracts AIDS because of a prison rape, that's a lawsuit and a potentially grand settlement.

Considering that prison rape has gone on for decades and AIDS has also been going on for decades, it's a certainty that some poor bastard already got this death sentence. So far, no successful suits and no large settlements.

In short, ain't nothin' gonna change any time soon.

133 posted on 08/20/2005 1:42:28 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: Tribune7
Rape is cruel and unusual punishment. The Consttution prohibitis it.

Minor nit: the rape is not being committed by the courts.

Well...not in this case anyway.

134 posted on 08/20/2005 1:43:03 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Rader's first victims were a family of four, including a boy of 9 and a girl of 11.

I don't think he's going to be very popular in the clink.


135 posted on 08/20/2005 1:43:39 PM PDT by Restorer (Liberalism: the auto-immune disease of societies.)
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To: Gunrunner2

Hahahaha. . .what a jokster. Just a little harmless fun. . .bad thing that happened to him, but his own actions put him there.



His own actions put him in jail...rightfully.

But no one should be tortured with gang rape while waiting for due process or serving one's term.


136 posted on 08/20/2005 1:46:55 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Mmmmmmm! Mmmmmmm! Good!)
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To: neverdem

I've thought about this, and I'm quite reluctant to suggest it, since it involves a supremely immoral act. However, I think that if a person in prison gets raped, he should at least consider killing his attacker. I don't know how much good merely injuring the agressor in retaliation would do, and killing the sub-human bastard would hopefully deter other rapes and prevent the inmate from becoming someone's "bitch" (love-slave). He should just take care not to get caught, or it could be a lifetime in prison or the needle...

Call me cold, vicious, callous, whatever, but there, I've said it...


137 posted on 08/20/2005 1:47:56 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hey, Cindy Sheehan, grow up!)
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To: Prime Choice
Send them into Iraq to handle the insurgents.

I was thinking along those lines for the recent recruiting shortfalls, especially in the Army and Marines. It wouldn't be the first time in history where a choice was made between joining the military or face the consequences of the judicial system.

As long as the accused person wasn't in police custody for a violent crime, serve until receiving an Honorable Discharge and have a clean slate as far as the police and courts are concerned.

138 posted on 08/20/2005 2:06:48 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: ShadowDancer
Where the hell do you come up with his not taking responsibility? His saying it was a stupid, impulsive prank is not ditching responsibilty, it's calling it like it was. A dumb thing to do.

I must have hit close to home by your violent reaction.

Shoving a gun in someone's face isn't a prank. Armed robbery is still classified as a capital offense in some states (although the liberal Supreme Court has temporarily blocked the use of the death penalty for the crime.) So what you consider a "prank" could have netted him a life sentence in more civilized parts of the country.

Impulsive? I think he is lying about that as well. Stealing a bicycle leaning against a tree might be impulsive. Armed robbery takes some advanced thought.

"Bent on mischief" - translates to 'not his first criminal act'.

The not so young punk is sill trying to make excuses for his criminal acts an minimizing crimes which could have ended in death rather than facing up to responsibility for his acts.

139 posted on 08/20/2005 2:10:40 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Prime Choice
I concur...but there's a major problem: once the rapist gets the life sentence, what punishment do you then inflict? Double-secret-probation life sentence?

If someone is convicted of another rape while in prison, lifetime in solitary confinement would be appropriate.

140 posted on 08/20/2005 2:14:13 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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