Able Danger Comes Out of the Shadows

Chron Watch ^ | 20 August 2005 | Gregory Borse

[xzins]

the Gorelick Memo itself was part of an attempt by the Clinton Administration to shield itself from investigations that seemed to indicate a connection between Chinese espionage and illegal foreign campaign contributions to the Democratic National Committee during the 1996 Presidential campaign.

This seems like a critical link that needs following up. It certainly is plausible.

If military and international intelligence agencies are legally prohibited from investigating citizen involvement with foreign entities...so as not to impede on the rights of US citizens....then a law like that would also protect those who were illegally involved with foreign governments. At a minimum, it would make it far harder to deal with such violations.

It is a "motive/means/opportunity" explanation that is more than plausible.

[Kewlhand`tek]

WELL its not in the shadows now, its just the question is "who" is going to be fall guy/gal? Or will they continue to lable Congressman Wheldon as a crackpot and LTC Shaffer as disgruntled liar

[Guenevere]

We need to make signs...!!

Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more deaths than there have been soldiers killed in Iraq!

[Kewlhand`tek]

Thank God President Bush is not an attorney. He may not be an attorney, but why isn't he saying anything about this, He had time to say something about that Moonbat sheehan, I feel this is way more important. btw I wonder if its just a coincidence that all this came out while everyone(congress and president) are on VAYCAY? I know this has problem been mentioned before, but if someone seen Sandy Burglar walk out with documents in his pants shouldnt he been asked to put them back? The guard just lets him walk out with it? I dont deny it happened I just dont know how someone can see he took them but not tell him to put it back and call the police?

[Kewlhand`tek]

I am tired of Bush cozing up to the clintons. Maybe he thinks if he looks the other way on what the clinton adminstration did that hitlery will look the other way on what Bush did when she is president? I think when hitlery is president she will nail Bush to wall. Bush, buddy nail both of those to the wall now, they will not give you fair play.FIGHT BUSH FIGHT GROW A BACKBONE ARREST SANDY BURGLAR AND TELL SHEEHAN TO GET STUFFED!

[NonValueAdded]

Ruh-roh is right. Now watch all the RINOs unload on Shaffer for illegally copying documents in the best traditions of the Judiciary Committee: "So what if we've uncovered evidence of illegal collusion, you peeked at their server!"_</disgust>

[maggiecakes]

Here in the People's Republic of Portland Oregon, I see alot of "No One Died When Clinton Lied" bumper stickers ... Never trust a Volvo-driving Liberal.

[pinz-n-needlez]

>>>>“And the memorandum of which I spoke, which was crafted in 1995, specifically indicated that it was based on an understanding at that time that held the law would not countenance certain exchanges. I believe it was a mistaken impression of the law which was later corrected by the rulings of the FISA court of appeals.>>>>

The Bush people took down the wall before Ashcroft testified. Do we know when?


>>>>But if you look through the history of what happened just in the cases surrounding 9/11, time after time you find individuals being advised by their superiors that they could not or should not be involved in activity because such involvement would breach the wall.”>>>>

They also knew all about Able Danger before Ashcroft testified.

That Shaffer got the go-ahead to do the recent interviews tells me the administration is going after this. Wonder if Bush's statement of displeasure over that part of Ashcroft's testimony had more to do with timing than with substance...

Pinz

[doug from upland]

I seem to remember that Bush started working on the dismantling of the wall 10 days after inauguration.

Was Sandy Berger trying to plant evidence in the archives to show that Bush was told about what Clinton really knew about al Qaeda?

[upchuck]

Janet & Jamie are responsible for more deaths (Waco&911) than there have been soldiers killed in Iraq.

What a great slogan for sign to be used on Sept 24 in Wash DC. Mind if I borrow it?

[Just mythoughts]

Wasn't Jamie at the Pentagon as General Counsel when Waco was destroyed?

[Just mythoughts]

"When Web Hubble went to prison, Gorelick was placed in the position of acting Attorney General by the beast (due to Reno's incompetence). Her bloody talon marks are all over this."


Jamie first served at the Pentagon as General Counsel before she was selected to go to Justice.

[Enchante]

Essentially the Patriot Act (fall 2001) overrode "the wall" -- although changing culture and individual/group behaviors in large bureaucracies is far more difficult than simply passing a law or announcing new policies.

See this link for a good discussion of how many informal barriers can also exist - it wasn't just one wall but many walls, and countless forms of discouragement to intel analysts who might have something useful to contribute:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1467315/posts

I think the anonymous intel insider at this link gives one of the best explanations I've seen of how (1) it wasn't just one 'wall' but numerous walls and discouragements; (2) while the problems certainly pre-dated the Clintonlites, in the '90s the problems and barriers were made much worse; (3) various walls always exist inside and among intel agencies, both for security and to protect civil liberties; but (4) the Clintonlites raised the walls higher and appointed bureaucrats who were (generally) much more concerned with protecting the Clintons politically than with doing the best job on intel.

[ncountylee]

Was Sandy Berger trying to plant evidence in the archives to show that Bush was told about what Clinton really knew about al Qaeda?

Never considered this, but wouldn't document numbering or coding be a problem?

[doug from upland]

If he had the original, he could write notes on it.

[ncountylee]

"If he had the original, he could write notes on it."

Thank you.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

So, when will Gorelick and that other bull-dyke, Janet [the Waco Kid], and both Clintons be imprisoned?

[Prophet in the wilderness]

Good !!!
At least Sandy Burger and God knows who didn't get to shred all of those documents.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

Better hope someone got hold of those documents before they some how disappear.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

ohhhh ... the MSM and the Liberals are not going to like that line,,, lol.
Start printing them full steam ahead.