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To: EveningStar

Yo:

I am from Pittsburgh originally, and have followed Barry Bonds' career relatively closely from a statistical and public pronouncements standpoint. His stats are beyond incredible and astounding!

If I could say one thing it would be:

Hey, give Barry some space!

You have to give him props regarding his move to San Francisco.

At that time it was relatively normal for a guy to have a great year at the end of his contract. It is said they are showing what they can do.

Well, Barry took the money (no one can fault him for that), and promptly had consistent tremendous seasons year in and year out. No flops. No years off. He was the man year in and year out.

Give him the props.

I don't know any of the details about when he came in contact with creams and clear, but apparently BEFORE he did...he was consistently excellent anyway.

If I were in his shoes, TRUST is the main thing with every person he has contact with. If his trust is greatest with his wife...so be it. If his trust is greatest with this doctor...so be it. It is his life, his knee, his career...don't fault him for calling his shots.

We live in America with freedom and liberty. Thank God Curt Flood broke the hold teams had on men back then.

Let Barry walk in his freedom...it is HIS! He will live with the consequences.

Finally, Hank Aaron had different pressures. Barry has different pressures. You cannot compare them!

It must be incredibly difficult being Barry. This is a jaded world will live in. It very difficult to maintain trustworthy relationships at all, let alone living under the microscope that is professional sports.

I find it amazing that someone in his position can continue to flash that incredible million dollar smile, and I give him props for being able to still do that at 41 as well!

We don't own him. We don't have rights to him. No one does!

I am thankful for Barry Bonds, for the gifts God has given him to do what he does. He has been an inspiration to me going way back to Pittsburgh.

Allow Barry the freedom to be Barry!


9 posted on 08/18/2005 11:42:54 AM PDT by joyspring777
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To: joyspring777
His stats are beyond incredible and astounding!

Yup--they're bogus! Bonds is a nasty, selfish racist. His stats are phony. He just about sums up all that's wrong with baseball today.

13 posted on 08/18/2005 11:53:11 AM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: joyspring777
His stats are beyond incredible and astounding! - sure they are HE CHEATED!
14 posted on 08/18/2005 11:55:13 AM PDT by SF Republican
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To: joyspring777
I am thankful for Barry Bonds, for the gifts God has given him to do what he does

Yeah, and the 'roids just enhanced God's gifts.

15 posted on 08/18/2005 11:56:23 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: joyspring777
Give him the props.

What is a prop?

17 posted on 08/18/2005 11:57:44 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: joyspring777
Allow Barry the freedom to be Barry!

Is there anyone not allowing him freedom? Is there anyone arguing that Barry should not have the freeedom to by Barry?

21 posted on 08/18/2005 11:59:47 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: joyspring777

Cheating Bonds still passes....

Gerry Callahan
Boston Herald
Nov 16,2004

Well, Barry Bonds boosted another National League MVP award, but at least we're making progress. Two years ago, Bonds was a unanimous choice of the voters. Last year he got 28-of-32 first-place votes, and yesterday it was announced that the number of writers who had the good sense to select someone else was up to eight.

Good for them. Maybe the Baseball Writers of America are not as quick to catch on as the Scott Peterson jury, but clearly there are some vigilantes in the press box who would rather not be complicit in Bonds' latest heist The guy hit 362. He slugged .802. He hit 45 home runs. If everything had been on the level, of course he would be the MVP. But everything was not on the level. It never is with Bonds.
The guy cheats, and everyone knows it. In this case, he cheated Adrian Beltre, the runner-up, out of an award that should have belonged to Beltre. Albert Pujols finished second to Bonds last year and the year before. Some people are fawning over Bonds today because he now has seven MVPs, but Pujols is only 24 years old. How many MVPs would he end up with if he weren't swimming against the strongest East German woman every year?

Maybe someday baseball will do for Pujols what the folks at the Boston Marathon did for Jacqueline Gareau, the Canadian runner who in 1980 finished second to another legendary cheater, Rosie Ruiz. They brought Gareau back to Boston
where, in her street clothes, she re-enacted the final 200 yards of the race. Ironically, Ruiz got caught when some people noticed that she didn't have any muscle, sort of the flipside to Bonds' problem.
After the scandal unfolded, a lot of people from Boston apologized to Gareau. Will Major League Baseball someday apologize to all the players who had their big days, their awards, their records ripped away by the man with the misshapen skull?

Ill-gotten awards are bad enough, but Bonds,of course, has higher crimes in mind. Perhaps as soon as next summer, he intends to steal the game's most coveted record from Hank Aaron, who weighed about 180 pounds when he hit 755 home runs. Bonds once weighed about 180 pounds, too. Now he is listed at 228 and believed to be 20 pounds more than that. He's the Pamela Anderson of baseball players. It's silly to even wonder if he's legit anymore. But when you talk about Bonds' team, you're not talking about the San Francisco Giants. You're talking about experts at BALCO, the trainers and chemists and various facilitators who worked hard to keep Bonds ahead of baseball's hapless posse. As Bonds' dear friend and alleged dealer Greg Anderson said on tape, they knew when the tests were coming. They knew how to beat the system, and yesterday they beat it for his seventh MVP award. As a bonus, Bonds picked up $500,000 for winning the award. Martha Stewart is waking up in a cell this morning for less.

Bonds isn't the only guy with an illegitimate MVP. Jose Canseco has one, and he promises to write a book about it, as soon as he learns how to, you know, write. Ken Caminiti won the award in the National League in 1996 and later admitted much of his success came out of a syringe.
Caminiti, like Bonds, got noticeably bigger and more muscular, and his power numbers soared. The only difference between the two is that Bonds is much smarter and more sophisticated. Caminiti actually traveled to Tijuana and bought his steroids on the street, like any old junkie.
Bonds knows enough to surround himself with experts. Anderson, his dear friend and trainer, has been charged with supplying athletes with drugs. To believe Bonds is on the level is to believe Anderson was just dealing to other athletes. Not his dear friend. Not his biggest, richest and most famous client. And by the way, Scott Peterson, how was the fishing?

Here's another difference between Caminiti and Bonds: Camini-ti's dead. Bonds is very much alive
and threatening to make next season look about as legitimate as Dan Rather's documents. It doesn't even matter anymore how MLB or ESPN want to handle the next dubious Bonds milestone. Baseball fans, like the writers, are gradually coming around. They know watching Bonds go deep is like watching the 6-foot-tall kid with the mustache strike out the side in the Little League World Series. Someone's cheating. How long before they catch him? Pete Rose, who gambled on baseball while managing the Reds, gets banned for life. Bonds, who gained 50 pounds of muscle while hanging with alleged steroid dealers, gets $18 million a year and another MVP. Too bad BALCO can't make a masking agent to hide that stench.

During the World Series, Bonds made an appearance in St. Louis to pick up the Hank Aaron Award, a perverse irony if ever there was one. The AL winner was Manny Ramirez, who, of course, was already in St. Louis. As Ray Ratto pointed out on ESPN.com, the ridiculously gracious fans of St. Louis cheered Ramirez, even though Manny was busy kicking the crap out of their Cardinals. Bonds they booed. Even Cardinals fans can only be played for fools for so long.
This home run king has no clothes, and everyone knows it. In the end, the commissioner doesn't have to worry about putting an asterisk next to Barry Bonds in the record book. You can rest assured, Bud: It's already there.


28 posted on 08/18/2005 12:02:37 PM PDT by Boston Blackie
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To: joyspring777
I am thankful for Barry Bonds, for the gifts God has given him to do what he does.

Steroids? HGH?

Puh-leaze.

30 posted on 08/18/2005 12:03:52 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: joyspring777
Getting a good flaming I see.

"If his trust is greatest with his wife...so be it"

Does he beat this wife like he did the first one?

32 posted on 08/18/2005 12:03:58 PM PDT by subterfuge (Obama, mo mama...er Osama-La bamba, uh, bama...banana rama...URP!---Ted Kennedy)
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To: joyspring777
Allow Barry the freedom to be Barry!

He plays on a team, which requires him to be a team player. Instead, he's behaving like a selfish, childish brat.

No slack from me.

34 posted on 08/18/2005 12:04:53 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: joyspring777
Allow Barry the freedom to be Barry!


53 posted on 08/18/2005 12:22:02 PM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (The function of socialism is to raise suffering to a higher level.)
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To: joyspring777
I am from Pittsburgh originally, and have followed Barry Bonds' career relatively closely from a statistical and public pronouncements standpoint. His stats are beyond incredible and astounding!

Translation: You're a Barry Bonds fan, and it's OK that he got to where he is by cheating.

54 posted on 08/18/2005 12:23:34 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: joyspring777

You like Barroid Bonds?


64 posted on 08/18/2005 12:36:32 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: joyspring777

You are amazing.


66 posted on 08/18/2005 12:39:40 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: joyspring777
I am thankful for Barry Bonds, for the gifts God has given him to do what he does.

God gave him the steroids? Time for another subpoena!

Bonds is a joke. A cheater from way back. The great shame is that he was once a stellar player. But to hang on to his abilities, he has sacrificed his name. He's a cheater and if baseball had any guts he'd be banned for life.

81 posted on 08/18/2005 1:25:04 PM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: joyspring777
Forgive me for not knowing what props are. I an old guy and a traditionalist.

Barry's dad was a great player so he started from good stock. His performance was outstanding but it is hard to credit genes with that kind of improvement.

It is also hard for me to grant a guy his space, and my admiration and sympathy, when he takes millions of dollars and refuses to show up for work. Recuperation from knee surgery doesn't take that long, leaving us to wonder why he is still out and in seclusion.

What choices do we have to explain it? The first two to pop into my mind are: He is still on steroids or he is not wanting to show the metamorphosis his body went trough by not being on them.

Down the line are: maybe his knee is taking longer than normal, and maybe he is in a funk. The first may desereve sympathy but but not admiration, but the second is not worthy of admiration or sympathy.

Giving him the benefit of the doubt and granting his peccadilloes is not my inclination. You, of course, are free to do as you please.

86 posted on 08/18/2005 1:49:33 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: joyspring777
We don't own him. We don't have rights to him. No one does!

I think you're a troll and I just stopped myself from wasting time on your trivial post. Still LOL at people like you defending cheaters like him.

91 posted on 08/18/2005 3:33:01 PM PDT by Pagey (Whether Hillary Clintons' attacks on America are a success or a failure depends upon YOU TOO!)
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