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Victims' Families Outraged, Want New 9/11 Panel
NewsMax ^ | 8/18/05 | newsmax staff

Posted on 08/18/2005 9:43:42 AM PDT by SueRae

The families of 9/11 victims are outraged that military spies were blocked from sharing key intelligence they believe could have averted the terrorist attacks – and are calling for a new commission to investigate.

"I’m angry that my son’s death could have been prevented,” Diana Horning, whose son was killed at the World Trade Center, told the New York Post.

"It outrages me because it’s taken four years to come out.”

Horning and other family members of 9/11 victims are up in arms over the disclosure that the elite military intelligence unit "Able Danger” had identified Mohammed Atta and three other Sept. 11 hijackers more than a year before the attacks, but military lawyers stopped the unit from sharing the information with the FBI.

"I don’t think you can understate the significance here,” Mindy Kleinberg, a member of the Sept. 11 Advocates, a coalition of family members, told the Post.

"You’re talking about the four lead hijackers. If we shared information and did surveillance on them, there is no telling what we could have uncovered and what we could have thwarted. "I think we do need a new commission, and that’s really sad.”

Rep. Curt Weldon (R-Pa.), vice chairman of the House Armed Services and Homeland Security committees, has said the Sept. 11 commission did not adequately investigate the report that four of the hijackers had been identified.

And Bill Doyle, whose son was killed on 9/11, ripped Jamie Gorelick, President Clinton’s deputy attorney general, who codified the separation between intelligence and investigative agencies in a 1995 memo – then was chosen to serve on the Sept. 11 commission investigating the attacks.

"What is disheartening,” said Doyle, "is from the beginning, we said Jamie Gorelick had a conflict of interest.”


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KEYWORDS: 911families; abledanger; atta; weldon
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MSM can't ignore these people.
1 posted on 08/18/2005 9:43:44 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: SueRae

Someone is sweating in Chappaqua.


2 posted on 08/18/2005 9:45:01 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: SueRae

Where is Brathwaite now?


3 posted on 08/18/2005 9:45:01 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: SueRae
"I don’t think you can understate the significance here,”

I suppose you mean "overstate". It's been understated quite well recently.

4 posted on 08/18/2005 9:46:09 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: SueRae
Consider me among the Outraged. And a new panel is definitely in order.
5 posted on 08/18/2005 9:46:20 AM PDT by Lone Red Ranger (Never let the weeds get higher than the garden...)
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To: SueRae

Sorry, the "Jersey Girls" are the only 9/11 "families" that get noticed by the MSM. How much you wanna bet Kristin Breitweiser and co. will find nothing much to be outraged about regarding the "Able Danger" revelations.

We all know what the 9/11 commission's real objective was.


6 posted on 08/18/2005 9:46:55 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: SueRae
Sept. 11 Advocates - Are these the "Jersey Girls"?

We all should be outraged!
7 posted on 08/18/2005 9:48:45 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: SueRae
"MSM can't ignore these people."

Oh, they can--at least for a while. This group needs to start doing the talk radio/Fox News tour a la Weldon and Lt. Col. Shaffer (and the Swiftees). Then, the MSM will no longer be able to ignore the 800 lb. gorilla in the room...

8 posted on 08/18/2005 9:48:50 AM PDT by eureka! (Hey Lefties: Only 3 and 1/2 more years of W. Hehehehe....)
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To: sinanju

Oh, I think they'd listen to Lisa Beamer.

And the Jersey girls have called for an investigation.


9 posted on 08/18/2005 9:49:24 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: SueRae

This is as far as this story is going to get, in NewsMax. The MSM isn't going to report it, if they do, they'll spin it as being anti-Bush anyway.


10 posted on 08/18/2005 9:49:39 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: SueRae
This story is not about to just go away.
Conservative talk radio is doing a great job on the Able Danger story.
Jamie Gorelick needs to be forced to step down from the 911 committee.
11 posted on 08/18/2005 9:50:00 AM PDT by pro610 (Faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains.Praise Jesus Christ!)
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To: Lone Red Ranger
Consider me among the Outraged. And a new panel is definitely in order.

A new panel of what? More open minded Democraps and Republ-I-can'ts to cover thier sorry a$$es? We will never get to the bottom of this so long as Washington is involved!

12 posted on 08/18/2005 9:51:45 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: Bommer

Maybe when Bush Sr. fixes a drink at the summerhome for Bill Clinton he could ask him about this little problem...


13 posted on 08/18/2005 9:54:31 AM PDT by eddiemunster
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To: SueRae

"And the Jersey girls have called for an investigation"

Perhaps the Jersey Girls won't be such willing participants in a Democrat dog-and-pony show this time.


14 posted on 08/18/2005 9:55:19 AM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: finnman69

Yeah, and as soon as he's done and get's his pants pulled up he'll kick the sweating bimbo out.


15 posted on 08/18/2005 9:57:14 AM PDT by WideGlide (That light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash.)
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Then, the MSM will no longer be able to ignore the 800 lb. gorilla in the room...

No... but they'll face the same derision that O'Neill's guys got once the MSM mentioned their names.

But, as in the 2004 campaign, Schaffer & Weldon's allegations will be embraced by true, American patriots and the socialist-left will be bloodied again!

16 posted on 08/18/2005 10:01:54 AM PDT by johnny7 (“Hi Lloyd. A little slow tonight, isn't it?”)
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To: SueRae

'Paging Warren Christopher . . please report to the Courtesy Desk'


17 posted on 08/18/2005 10:04:02 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: Bommer

Maybe Scotland Yard can help. They are not PC nor squeemish.


18 posted on 08/18/2005 10:05:14 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: johnny7

Yep. The MSM has lost its monopoly. Also, when it has to lie and spin the story, it causes debate on the facts and results in the education of many. The Clinton Legacy has yet to be fully written and it will not be pretty. Hence, I hope the 'Toon and his grifting wife live long lives...


19 posted on 08/18/2005 10:05:55 AM PDT by eureka! (Hey Lefties: Only 3 and 1/2 more years of W. Hehehehe....)
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To: SueRae

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/

Able Danger: More Sources Forthcoming?
Deborah Orin continues her coverage of Able Danger, rivalling that of the cross-town Times which initially broke the story, with an interesting and somewhat contradictory follow-up with the first public source, Col. Tony Shaffer. Shaffer points out that he initially did not know that Able Danger had specifically identified Atta prior to 9/11, but did know that al-Qaeda agents had been identified as such:

Shaffer said Atta's name didn't ring a bell when he learned the hijackers' names after 9/11. But he got "a sinking feeling in my stomach" when the woman Ph.D. in charge of Able Danger's data analysis told him Atta was one of those who had been identified as a likely al Qaeda terrorist by Able Danger.
"My friend the doctor [Ph.D.] who did all the charts and ran the technology showed me the chart and said, 'Look, we had this, we knew them, we knew this.' And it was a sinking feeling, it was like, 'Oh my God, you know. We could have done something.' " ...

He said the unit tried three times to alert the FBI that it had identified al Qaeda cells in the United States — but military lawyers nixed it. Shaffer also says he alerted the 9/11 commission in October 2003 about how Able Danger identified Atta — but commission staffers blew him off and failed to properly follow up.


Shaffer has predicted that this PhD will come forward publicly in the next few days, just as soon as she gets assurances that she will suffer no retaliation for talking about the program publicly. The other source, the Navy captain who tried to get the Commission to investigate Able Danger in 2004, still wants his name withheld. However, Orin reports that the AP outed him yesterday. His rank and expertise in futuristic naval warfare has been apparently confirmed by the news agency. [CQ will not use his name until/unless he does so publicly himself out of consideration for his current assignment.]

Shaffer also added an interesting detail to the Able Danger story. Several CQ readers have wondered whether the program still exists. Shaffer says that his liaison to the program shut down months before the attack on the order of a "risk-averse" commanding general at DIA. In fact, this general had to order Shaffer to cut all ties with Able Danger, explicitly pulling rank over Shaffer's objections. His files at the DIA on Able Danger have also gone missing from their last known storage location, although the Pentagon has started a search, and files get jockeyed around enough to know that this may well be a simple case of misplacement.

It sounds like at least two more shoes may drop on Able Danger and the information it provided military intelligence. If the other sources involved in the actual data collection and analysis come forward, expect this to blow up even larger at the expense of the 9/11 Commission who ignored it


20 posted on 08/18/2005 10:07:00 AM PDT by Thumbellina (As I recall, Kerry referred to terrorism as "overrated".)
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