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To: Carry_Okie
Let me take a step backwards.

My understanding of your earlier posts is that you want to remove the First Amendment protection from Islam because you view it as inherently seditious (and if so, why on Earth would you not want to make it illegal?). But I really don't want to put words in your mouth.

Do you believe that a belief in Islam is sedition per se?

If not, then you and I are in no disagreement and I apologize for taking your time.

45 posted on 08/19/2005 7:50:30 AM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: highball
My understanding of your earlier posts is that you want to remove the First Amendment protection from Islam because you view it as inherently seditious (and if so, why on Earth would you not want to make it illegal?). But I really don't want to put words in your mouth.

First of all, in an objective sense, Islam doesn't deserve First Amendment protection in that it is a fraudulent religion, which is now proven in the archaeological record. One source that can explain it to you is in that link I gave you that you didn't read. It's a whole book and is well sourced.

Second, deserving or not, I acknowledge that Islam HAS gained (not earned) protection under the First Amendment. The problem is what to do about it. I do not reccommend revocation of that protection as a means to deal with the threat.

Third, I was correcting you in that the First Amendment does not protect all religious practices. All I was pointing out to you is that Congress has the lawful power to revoke that protection. That is not the path I reccommend.

Fourth, Islam contains structural sedition in its text and is practiced as such by many if not most of its adherants. Some go about it peacefully, such as raising large families as a way to gain demographic power and there isn't much we should do about that, but don't think for a minute that they don't support eventual domination. It is a militant belief system.

Fifth, We do have laws against sedition. Advocating impostition of Sharia constitutes such as does recitiation of Surahs such as I posted.

Thus, the best way to manage the threat Islam poses in America is to prosecute sedition exactly, publicize the archaeological and historical record widely without apology, and let the Islamists figure out what to do about their religion. One thing is certain, one CANNOT trust any oath or repudiation an Islamist might offer. One has to judge them by their behavior.

So, do I advocate the defeat of Islam in America? Absolutely. It is an ideology, not a religion. It has no place in America. Do I advocate legally deligitimizing it as a religion? Not at this point. Although Congress has that power, it is a precedent empowering government in a manner I regard as dangerous and unnecessary at this point. If, upon prosecution for sedition, we get to open rebellion, such may become necessary.

46 posted on 08/19/2005 8:29:58 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us three choices: submit, kill, or be killed.)
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