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To: Carry_Okie

So you're comfortable with using legalities to outlaw a religion that you want eradicated.

Excuse me, but I'd rather we be honest if we're going to do that.

Of course certain practices of a religion may be illegal. Same for the Mormons, but outlawing multiple marriages didn't make belonging to the church itself illegal.


37 posted on 08/18/2005 1:04:59 PM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: highball
So you're comfortable with using legalities to outlaw a religion that you want eradicated.

If proscribing the advocacy of forced conversion, under the threat of death, of every American to system of laws dictated by a global caliphate, without any religious freedom at all, is equivalent to saying that I advocate eliminating Islam in America, I plead guilty (and so should you).

However, I never said that I wanted Islam "eradicated" although it would be a better world if it had never been invented (which it was). I said I want laws prohibiting sedition enforced. At that point, it's up to Islamists to choose to abide by our laws or leave. They won't do either willingly.

Now, given that they are permitted, indeed encouraged to LIE about whether they intend to abide by our laws, principal among which is to protect the religious freedom of others, how are we to believe them? Their history suggests no such religious tolerance. I didn't create that problem; they do.

We already have laws that use legalities to circumscribe religious practices, as I have already illustrated. So the ONLY requirement I have of Islamists is that they respect my rights, of which they have NO intention.

Excuse me, but I'd rather we be honest if we're going to do that.

Oh, such a libertarian! The problem is that there is a difference with Islam from any other religion: they want you to submit or die. It's always been that way. You just don't want to accept it.

Of course certain practices of a religion may be illegal. Same for the Mormons, but outlawing multiple marriages didn't make belonging to the church itself illegal.

Actually, the Mormons used to outlaw black membership as well. When presented with a hard choice by the IRS, the church fathers had a "revelation" that black membership was permissible! The problem with Islam, by contrast, is not one of exclusion, it is that forced conversions at the point of a sword are encouraged. Islam also advocates a global caliphate, which is exactly an establishment of religion. They advocate overthrow of the Constitution. I have a problem with that. So should you. It's also illegal.

The inescapable point is: Islam has written doctrine that is anathema to the Constitution. Using the Constitution to protect it, when its adherents intend its destruction, is by no means protecting religious freedom, quite the contrary. I didn't make it that way. Muhammed did.

Best you learn more about that history.

38 posted on 08/18/2005 1:48:25 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us three choices: submit, kill, or be killed.)
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