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Intelligent Design and Evolution at the White House
SETI Institute ^ | August 2005 | Edna DeVore

Posted on 08/18/2005 7:39:37 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: KMJames
But, what then, are the factors that influence "natural selection"?

War, disease, drought/starvation, natural disaster, etc.

121 posted on 08/18/2005 11:59:17 AM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: ml1954

"Is there any possible observation that could falsify the theory of Evolution?"

Big premises of Darwin's theory have already been falsified - at least to the extent that they are the drivers of evolution.

Darwin postulated that all species were in gradual change, and that gradual change via natural selection was the norm. In fact, it appears that gradual change, rapid change and stasis all exist, with stasis and rapid change being the norm for "complex" species.

When everyone gets past the religion vs. science debates, people will finally start realizing that Darwin's overemphasis on natural selection and gradualism is not an accurate description of the totality of evolution.

Even the classic giraffe example has now been shown to be a result of sexual selection - not natural selection.

IMO, the human species is more likely to have evolved from homo eructus via triblism and sexual selection than from natural selection.

Whether tribalism is a sign of "intelligence" or "intelligence directed", I have no idea. But I cannot imagine how anyone could look to the morphology differences in African tribes that live in the same regions and conclude that tribalism isn't likely to prmote speciation.

Also, I think there's no evidence of the idea that genes are passed on through "chance". Sure, chance may have something to do with it. But perhaps creatures can control their reporoductive output through some subconscious means with regards to their environment, just like they control other things. Studies now confirm that there are links between the types and volumes of sperm ejaculated, and the mating conditions.


122 posted on 08/18/2005 11:59:33 AM PDT by Chameleon
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To: malakhi
"Whether or not they have a 'purpose' is a matter of philosophy or religion, not science. "

Science is a philosophy, hence the PhD.

JM
124 posted on 08/18/2005 12:00:20 PM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: keglined
It assumes a "who" based on the evidence for design in creation, not vice versa.

One sees DNA, which exudes design, and assumes or theorizes that such a designed, complex structure must have been the result of an intelligent being.

JM
126 posted on 08/18/2005 12:02:43 PM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: RadioAstronomer

Whoa there, hoss. It's not worth it.


127 posted on 08/18/2005 12:03:00 PM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: keglined
"No, ID is not a theory, nor can it ever be a theory. Here's why: It assumes a "who" behind the universe. It also concludes a "who" behind the universe."

There is most certainly a "who" in the universe; at the very least, us.

Look at the examples that I cited, all of which are incontrovertibly explained by ID: Artificial Intelligence, GM crops, genetically modified animals (e.g. laboratory pigs that produce human hormones), computer viri, and self-replicating machines.

128 posted on 08/18/2005 12:03:05 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: RadioAstronomer
[Gasp!]
129 posted on 08/18/2005 12:03:39 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Bite me you A-hole!

Pay no attention to the attention-starved troll.

130 posted on 08/18/2005 12:03:58 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: malakhi

"They have a function. Whether or not they have a 'purpose' is a matter of philosophy or religion, not science."

It's a semantic differnce. Purpose and function are the same thing, unless you chose to attribute more meaning to one than the other.


131 posted on 08/18/2005 12:04:30 PM PDT by Chameleon
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To: Southack; Right Wing Professor
Intelligent Design, as a scientific theory, incontrovertibly explains Artificial Intelligence, GM crops, genetically modified animals (e.g. laboratory pigs that produce human hormones), computer viri, and self-replicating machines.

Please see RWP's excellent summation of the distinction between 'micro-ID' and 'macro-ID':

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1462875/posts?page=507#507

Fallacy of equivocation. There are two common uses of intelligent design
1. Intelligent design of human acts, as in the intelligent design of buildings, computer code, pharmaceutical agents, etc., by contemporary humans

2. 'Intelligent design' as the proposition that life or some part of it originated as the implemented design of some unspecified, non-human intelligent agent, many millions of years ago.
The two bear no relation, except in the phrase used to describe them, and therefore demonstration of one does not in any way demonstrate the other.

133 posted on 08/18/2005 12:05:21 PM PDT by malakhi (Gravity is a theory in crisis.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Do I owe you a drink or something?! What did I say that touched such a nerve??

134 posted on 08/18/2005 12:05:39 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

And if a living dinosaur were found today, how could that cause problems (except in Japan)?

Nice try.

135 posted on 08/18/2005 12:05:47 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: Coyoteman

But where's The Great Spaghetti Monster?


136 posted on 08/18/2005 12:06:09 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is not conservative!)
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To: Chameleon
It's a semantic differnce. Purpose and function are the same thing, unless you chose to attribute more meaning to one than the other.

Then use the word "function" when that is all that matters.

137 posted on 08/18/2005 12:06:19 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: keglined

" The whole problem with getting through to ID proponents is making them appreciate the bias behind their assumptions."

Likewise, anyone who assumes that all IDers are bias creationists can rarely be expected to have an intelligent opinion on ID.


138 posted on 08/18/2005 12:06:41 PM PDT by Chameleon
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To: Fester Chugabrew
And if a living dinosaur were found today, how could that cause problems (except in Japan)?

**************

LOL! It's so rare to find any humour in these threads.

Thanks.

139 posted on 08/18/2005 12:07:00 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: keglined
"Nice try, but I said "behind" the universe."

In that case, your comment was irrelevant to the physical examples that I cited. Try again.

140 posted on 08/18/2005 12:07:22 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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