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Vigils Calling for End to Iraq War Begin (Free Republic Mentioned)
AP via The Guardian ^ | Thursday, August 18, 2005 | Angela K. Brown

Posted on 08/17/2005 9:52:02 PM PDT by kristinn

CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) - Hundreds of candlelight vigils calling for an end to the war in Iraq lit up the night Wednesday, part of a national effort spurred by one mother's anti-war demonstration near President Bush's ranch.

The vigils were urged by Cindy Sheehan, who has become the icon of the anti-war movement since she started a protest Aug. 6 in memory of her son Casey, who died in Iraq last year.

Sheehan says she will remain outside the president's ranch until he meets with her and other grieving families, or until his monthlong vacation there ends.

Bush has said he sympathizes with Sheehan but has made no indication he will meet with her. Two top Bush administration officials talked to Sheehan the day she started her camp, and she and other families had met with Bush shortly after her son's death.

More than 1,600 vigils were planned Wednesday from coast to coast by liberal advocacy groups MoveOn.org Political Action, TrueMajority and Democracy for America. A large vigil was also planned in Paris.

As the sun set in Crawford, about 200 protesters lit candles and gathered around a wooden, flag-draped coffin at Sheehan's growing camp, about a mile from the Bush ranch.

``For the more than 1,800 who have come home this way in flag-draped coffins, each one ... was a son or a daughter, not cannon fodder to be used so recklessly,'' Sheehan told the crowd.

After the names of some of the dead soldiers were read, the crowd sang ``Amazing Grace'' as people stepped forward to place flowers on the coffin.

Before the vigil, Gary Qualls, of Temple drove to Sheehan's camp site and removed a wooden cross bearing his son's name. He said he supports the war and disagrees with Sheehan.

``I don't believe in some of the things happening here,'' Qualls said. ``I find it disrespectful.''

Near Philadelphia's Independence Hall, a few hundred people strained to hear the parent of another soldier killed in Iraq. ``This war must stop,'' said Al Zappala, 65, whose 30-year-old son, Sgt. Sherwood Baker, died in an explosion in Baghdad in April 2004.

Karen Braz, 50, held a pink votive cup and a sign reading ``Moms for Peace'' as she stood shoulder-to-shoulder with about 150 other people outside the New Hampshire statehouse in Concord.

``My son is 26. It could've been him,'' she said

Some critics say Sheehan is exploiting her son's death to promote a left-wing agenda. They say scores of Americans, including relatives of soldiers killed in Iraq, support Bush and his plans to keep troops there.

FreeRepublic.com, which holds rallies to support troops and to counter anti-war demonstrations, held a pro-Bush rally Wednesday night with about 20 people at the same time and same Washington park as a candlelight vigil that drew about 300, said Kristinn Taylor, co-leader of the group's Washington, D.C., chapter.

``For us the organizers of the vigil are phony-baloney, betraying the sacrifices that those men and women make in Iraq, by demanding that we pull our troops out now and leave Iraq to go to hell,'' Taylor said. ``This is a publicity stunt.''

Some 200 people joined a peace vigil in Cincinnati's Fountain Square. Demonstrators softly sang ``Give Peace A Chance'' and lined one side of the square with signs, drawing honks of support from some passing motorists.

A banner bearing the name, age, rank, hometown and date of death of all Americans killed in Iraq and Afghanistan was unrolled at a vigil in Charleston, W.Va. - stretching the length of a city block.

``Our pastors and preachers need to hear from us,'' said one of the speakers in Charleston, Mary Ellen O'Farrell. ``Ask your pastor to preach it from the pulpit. This war does not meet the criteria for a just war.''

Along with candles and flags, some of the 300 people who gathered at a park in Nashville, Tenn., brought banners of protest and support for Sheehan. One read: ``Thank you for your courage Cindy.''

About 200 people attended a rally and candlelight vigil on the steps of the state Capitol in Oklahoma City. Marie Evans said it was a chance for those opposing the war to let their voices be heard.

``There was no question in my mind that we needed to make a statement in Oklahoma, which is a very conservative state,'' said Evans, who carried a sign that read ``Their blood is on your hands.''

In Hawaii, Kalihi Valley resident Charmaine Crockett invited scores of people to her hilltop house to light candles in sympathy for Sheehan. ``I'm very moved by one person making a difference,'' Crockett said.

Actor Richard Dreyfuss attended a vigil in the Studio City area of Los Angeles with his son and about 500 others.

``Cindy Sheehan is making a starting point with the questions she is asking and it's not unpatriotic to ask them,'' Dreyfuss said. ``It's actually a higher form of patriotism.''

And at a vigil in Madison, Wis., Tammy Markee had some simple advice for Bush on how to handle Sheehan: ``Be a man. Give her the respect she deserves. Sit down and talk with her.''

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To: i_voted_4_the_other_guy_twice

Where do you think your freedom of speech comes from pal? Don't bother playing that I'm a "veteran" stuff here. There are too many veterans here that won't buy it. I'll bet you're a "republican" too! Been there, heard that. Every night on the news. You Lefties are a joke.


41 posted on 08/17/2005 11:40:21 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: kristinn

Disgraceful.

But in this country, the one these people hate, they have the right to embarrass themselves.


42 posted on 08/17/2005 11:43:03 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (Hey barkeep, who's leg do ya have to hump to get a dry martini around here?)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
The 1960s, take two!

Exactly! I've said more than once, these people (and I mean the Democrats too) are the very people who wanted to destroy this country in the 60's and are back to try to finish her off!

43 posted on 08/17/2005 11:44:04 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I love your very correct tag line. It raises my hackles whenever I hear or read someone say we "lost" the Vietnam war


44 posted on 08/17/2005 11:44:39 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Advertisments contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper)
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To: patriciamary

I hear that they will be using her panties to torture terrorists... or for that matter anybody with smelling distance!


45 posted on 08/17/2005 11:45:43 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Marine_Uncle
He basically already eluded to that.

Where did you read that?

46 posted on 08/17/2005 11:45:47 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: clamper1797
"It raises my hackles whenever I hear or read someone say we "lost" the Vietnam war"

Thanks to Nixon
the lies of Hanoi Kerry and Hanoi Jane
are being told again.
And our military are being slandered in Gitmo, Iraq and Afghanistan

Hanoi Kerry and War Crimes in Vietnam

Hanoi Kerry went before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations in 1971
to accuse the United States military
of committing massive numbers of war crimes in Vietnam.

Too bad that because Nixon failed to uphold the law,
we are still stuck with Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry.
If Nixon hadn't caved into the minority anti-war crowd
and listened to the Silent Majority
Hanoi Jane AND Hanoi Kerry
would have been prosecuted for their treason in the 70's,
while Nixon was still President.

Keep in mind that Nixon was directly involved in Viet Nam,
as Vice President, going back to at least 1955.

26 Sep 1945 - The first death of an American serviceman in Vietnam occurred.
OSS (Office of Special Operations) Major (Lieutenant Colonel) A. Peter Dewey
was killed in action by the Communist Vietminh near Hanoi.

May 1950 President Harry S Truman authorised $10 million in aid to the French for their war in Viet Nam.
By January 1951, $150 million had been given in aid.

1953-61 Dwight D. Eisenhower 34th US President
1953-61 Richard M. Nixon Vice President
1953 - The US is supporting the French in the amount of $1 billion per year--
33% of all US foreign aid--which is 80% of the total cost to the
. US Secretary of State, John Foster Dulles (under Eisenhower) first voices the 'Domino Theory':
if one country in Southeast Asia falls to the Communists, they will all fall, one by one.

12 Feb 55 - President Eisenhower's administration sends 1st 350 U.S. advisers to South Vietnam
to train the South Vietnamese Army

8 Jun 56 - The first American of record to die in Vietnam
was Air Force Tech Sergeant Richard B. Fitzgibbon Jr.
His son, Richard B. Fitzgibbon III, died in Vietnam Sep 7, 1965.
8 Jun 56 Has been formally recognized by the Pentagon as the first American officially to die in that war.

5 Sep 56 - President Eisenhower tells a news conference that the French are
"involved in a hopelessly losing war in Indochina" 1956 The US believed in that Ho Chi Minh would have won any election held in Viet Nam and used their influence over the government of the State of Viet Nam to ensure that the election was not held




From a Must Visit Site
Vipers Vietnam Veterans Page, A Vietnam Veteran & Proud Web Site
About Vietnam

The Vietnam war was the longest in our nation's history.
1st American advisor was killed on June 08, 1956,

and the last casualties in connection with the war occurred on May 15, 1975, during the Mayaquez incident. Approximately 2.7 million Americans served in the war zone; 300,000 were wounded and approximately 75,000 permanently disabled. Officially there are still 1,991 Americans unaccounted for from SE Asia.

Vietnam was a savage, in your face war where death could and did strike from anywhere with absolutely no warning. The brave young men and women who fought that war paid an awful price of blood, pain and suffering. As it is said: "ALL GAVE SOME ... SOME GAVE ALL"
The Vietnam war was not lost on the battlefield. No American force in ANY other conflict fought with more determination or sheer courage than the Vietnam Veteran.  For the first time in our history America sent it's young men and women into a war run by inept politicians who had no grasp of military strategies and no moral will to win. They were led by "top brass" who were concerned mainly with furthering their own careers, most neither understood the nature of the war nor had a clue about the impossible mission with which they'd tasked their soldiers.  And the war was reported by a self serving Media who penned stories filled with inaccuracies, deliberate omissions, biased presentations and blatant distorted interpretations because they were more interested in a story than the truth! It can be debated that we should never have fought that war. It can also be argued that the young Americans who fought so courageously, never losing a single major battle, helped in a huge way to WIN THE COLD WAR.






47 posted on 08/17/2005 11:46:40 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Proud Plank Owner : Department of Homeland Security)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Lots of us fight and don't post about it. My husband and I took on an assemblage of CODE PINK lunatics last fall, but I didn't post a thread about it. And I'll do it again, when I can and I won't post a thread about it then either. :-)


48 posted on 08/17/2005 11:47:49 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: FlingWingFlyer
For this troll rather than "wake up" I prefer "get out".

I for one am really beginning to despise these appeasing sheeplike tools.
49 posted on 08/17/2005 11:47:59 PM PDT by jaguaretype (Sometimes war IS the answer)
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To: trubluolyguy
"But in this country, the one these people hate, they have the right to embarrass themselves."

That's why we have the First Amendment. It makes it easier to identify the morons among us.

50 posted on 08/17/2005 11:48:11 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: hsalaw; FlingWingFlyer

Mark Finkelstein over at Newsbusters reported this morning that Matt Lauer got a surprise answer from a soldier on a recent trip to Iraq. After asking about morale, a few soldiers told him that morale was good. Like any good morning TV show journalist, Lauer was skeptical:


LAUER: Don't get me wrong, I think you're probably telling the truth, but there might be a lot of people at home wondering how that might be possible with the conditions you're facing and with the insurgent attacks you're facing... What would you say to people who doubt that morale could be that high?

CAPTAIN SHERMAN POWELL: Well sir, I'd tell you, if I got my news from the newspapers I'd be pretty depressed as well.

Powell said that he knows the media have a hard time getting out in Iraq and seeing the improvements, but that he's "satisfied" and "proud" of the work the United States is doing in Iraq.


Don't you also love how Lauer says, "What would you say to people who doubt that morale could be that high?" when he means, "What would you say to Matt Lauer, who doubts that morale could be that high?"


51 posted on 08/17/2005 11:48:55 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: i_voted_4_the_other_guy_twice

You're disrespecting the troops.


52 posted on 08/17/2005 11:50:35 PM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
The Vietnam war was not lost on the battlefield

That bears repeating a million times ...

53 posted on 08/17/2005 11:50:48 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Advertisments contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper)
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To: Tarheel
Anyone who loses a son , her job and her husband, who is divorcing her, in the space of 17 months is most likely running on fumes.

Did you ever consider that the reason she is losing all this is because of her long held anti-American attitudes? She publicly stated, before her husband filed for divorce and before this fiasco started that "this country isn't worth dying for," and "it's been killing people for over 200 years."

As a Mother, where is her concern for her two living children? Do they no longer mean anything to her? Why does she refuse her youngest sons plea to come home where they need her? Casey dies a hero and her other two are probably dying inside as they now are ignored by their Mother while she seeks attention to her anti-American stance.

This isn't about Casey at all, it's all about Cindy.

54 posted on 08/17/2005 11:51:31 PM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: clamper1797

I'm tired of the "history" of the Vietnam war that the Left is spreading. None of it is true. They are trying to pull that stuff again and I'm going to continue to fight against them. It's not going to happen this time. Not this time.


55 posted on 08/17/2005 11:52:12 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: I_Voted_for_the_other_guy
Wasn't the objective to find and destroy WMDs?

I haven't even looked yet, but I'll be you'll be banned shortly, so let me just say this:

The reason you people are losing the hearts and minds of this country is because you are LIARS.

That was NOT the reason we went to Iraq -- no matter how many times you say it. (BTW, you do know, don't you, that it was your hero, Bill Clinton who said that there WERE WMDs over there, right? And John Kerry? And just about every other Democrat in office in the last ten years.)

56 posted on 08/17/2005 11:52:13 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: nopardons

"Lots of us fight and don't post about it. My husband and I took on an assemblage of CODE PINK lunatics last fall, but I didn't post a thread about it. And I'll do it again, when I can and I won't post a thread about it then either. :-)"

You SHOULD post this!

Being "silent" in the 60's and 70's did nothing.

Nixon sold out to the anti-war majority.

Sing it loud and clear this time around.

And THANK YOU and your husband.


57 posted on 08/17/2005 11:52:13 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Proud Plank Owner : Department of Homeland Security)
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To: clamper1797

Tag line change


58 posted on 08/17/2005 11:53:39 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Proud member of the Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 1972-1973)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Oh, she's been doing it longer than last week; why at the beginning of this year, she gave a speech at an event honoring -- tada -- Lynne Stewart!

She protested Gulf War I!


59 posted on 08/17/2005 11:54:08 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: FlingWingFlyer
They are trying to pull that stuff again and I'm going to continue to fight against them. It's not going to happen this time. Not this time.

Only over my dead body

60 posted on 08/17/2005 11:55:22 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Proud member of the Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 1972-1973)
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