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To: ModelBreaker
Since drug criminalization is failing in all the ways that alcohol criminalization failed, your asssumption that cultural embedding makes a difference stands unsupported by the evidence.

No. Alcohol use has been rampant in western societies for centuries. MJ, cocaine, meth and heroin have been unknown or underground for that same period of time. When alcohol was criminalized, it was done in a society in which 75-85% of the adult population were drinkers. It's shortcomings were much more spectacular than the WOD. Imagine trying to criminalize heroin if 80% of the adult population were regular users. That's the right comparison.

You've simply restated your assumption, without addressing the fact that the evidence shows drug criminalization is failing in all the ways that alcohol criminalization failed.

304 posted on 08/18/2005 5:39:58 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights
You've simply restated your assumption, without addressing the fact that the evidence shows drug criminalization is failing in all the ways that alcohol criminalization failed.

Actually, not true. Alcohol criminalization failed so spectacularly that a supermajority of Americans went thru the process of passing a constitutional amendment repealing prohibition a very short time after it was passed. Constitutional amendments are REALLY hard to pass. That gives you a sense of just how completely prohibition failed--almost everyone who lived thru it realized how terribly it had failed--in a time that was considerably less hip and tolerant than today.

No such consensus exists today about drugs--in fact, the consensus is to the contrary.

You might consider that different reactions of the public to the WOD and the WOA reflect a profound difference in the 'failure' rate of both. Certainly, your assertion ex cathedra that the failure of the WOD is the same in type and degree as the failure of the WOA is unsupported and gains nothing from repetition.

Finally, you might want to consider one profound success of the WOD. Despite the best efforts of the left and the stoners, and the frailities of human nature, MJ, meth, cocaine and heroin are still marginal drugs and on the fringes of society, used regularly by a small minority of stupid young people and a very small minority of really, really stupid adults. Unlike alcohol, 80% of the adult population are not twice a week speedball users.

Alcohol, OTOH, is a case study in what happens to drug use if it is legal over time. The result is regular use by large majorities of the adult population and almost a complete political inability to control its usage notwithstanding the terrible toll alcohol takes on our society.

Legalization of drugs is one of the unfinished agenda items from the 60's. Frankly, given the stream of disasters that have flowed from those 60's agenda items that were adopted, I would think that any sensible person would take a deep breath before turning society on its head yet again on a blind belief that it'll work out OK. The reality is, turning society on its head frequently does not work out well at all. Giving up your doobie tonight is not a big price to pay to avoid the risk of the reforms you propose.

314 posted on 08/18/2005 7:32:22 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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