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Did bad heroin kill two coeds?
New York Daily News and lastnightsparty.com ^ | 8/16/05 | AUSTIN FENNER, ADAM LISBERG and ROBERT F. MOORE

Posted on 08/17/2005 11:44:14 AM PDT by BurbankKarl

Two college coeds used cocaine with a pair of convicted drug dealers and had fresh needle marks on their arms when they overdosed in a lower East Side apartment, sources said yesterday.

Police believe a bad batch of heroin may have contributed to the deaths of Mellie Carballo and Maria Pesantez, both 18 and with promising futures.

It was unclear who supplied the drugs, but heartbroken relatives of the victims blamed Roberto Martinez, 41, and Alfredo (Tito) Morales, 33, who were with the teens Friday when the students apparently overdosed.

"How is it possible that they are free?" asked distraught father Juan Carlos Pesantez outside the family's home in Jackson Heights, Queens. "With those [criminal] records? With two girls dead?"

Carballo, a second-semester student at Hunter College, and Pesantez, an NYU sophomore, were found about 6 p.m. Friday in an apartment at 484 E. Houston St. Carballo died 20 minutes later and Pesantez died Sunday.

The men admitted doing cocaine with the women, who met at St. Vincent Ferrer High School in Manhattan, a law enforcement source said.

Martinez, who placed a bouquet of red roses in front of the E. Houston St. apartment yesterday, told a different story to the Daily News. He said he came to the apartment, where Morales lives, after Morales called him in a panic.

"I saw [Pesantez] in the bedroom catching a seizure," Martinez said yesterday. "I tried to give her mouth-to-mouth and then I called 911."

Martinez said he met Carballo at a bar about a month ago and didn't meet Pesantez until Friday. He denied giving the women drugs, saying they brought drugs to Morales' apartment.

No one has been arrested and toxicology results are pending.

Morales was convicted in 1995 of possession of cocaine with intent to sell. Martinez, whose is on parole, has 13 narcotics arrests.

The coeds' friends told cops the women wanted to try heroin, a police source said. The friends also told police that Carballo, a former MTV intern, and Pesantez, a pianist and National Honor Society member, had done drugs before.

Relatives dispute that account.

"To my knowledge, she had never experimented with anything," said Celeste Carballo, 21, who shared a room with her sister at the family's West Side apartment.

College students Mellie Carballo (left) and Maria Pesantez, both 18, in an undated photo. The coeds died of suspected drug overdoses in a lower East Side apartment

Photos taken from memorial at http://www.lastnightsparty.com/mellie/index.html


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: addiction; dependence; heroin; wodlist
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To: ModelBreaker

It's also called addiction. And a bit of 'we're above getting addicted' thinking. They think they could walk into a store, use heroin or cocaine, and never look back, or limit it to when they feel like it.

In a sense, it is denial. They're addicted to pot, but aren't dead yet, so they think everything is good to go.


101 posted on 08/17/2005 2:26:58 PM PDT by G32
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To: 76834
And suppose that a train safety device could have made those deaths less likely, but government policy put the railroad in the hands of those who saw no incentive to install the device, whereas in the absence of that policy the railroad would be in the hands of those who did see an incentive to install it. Would you say the deaths had no bearing on the advisibility of that policy?

Drugs are destroying out society while the railroad is doing everything it can to enhance it.

Hey, it was YOUR analogy, but if you'd rather withdraw it than answer my question that's OK.

Government and more bureaucrats will not help in anyway. More draconian laws and more govt agents will only drive the costs of everything else up including taxes.

Exactly; that's why existing laws need to be cut back.

102 posted on 08/17/2005 2:28:35 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Why does the media always speak of college attendance as if it elevates an individual to a much higher plane of existence? Some pretty dumb people (and even big-time "party girls" like these two) end up in college, at least for a while.

College damn near killed me! I drank and did drugs almost every day, I got out of college and got sober about a year later and the last 15 years have been great.

103 posted on 08/17/2005 2:29:12 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: BurbankKarl

"Did bad heroin kill two Co-eds?"


Yes and it's a good start. A lot more start dying and maybe, just maybe these complete morons will get the picture that DRUGS ARE BAD FOR YOU!


104 posted on 08/17/2005 2:30:09 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (Well, why did you pull a gun on me if you didn't want to have sex?)
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To: verity
These girls didn't have the choice to do legal heroin, with controlled purity and dosage.

You hold the minority view in this matter

What he posted is simple fact.

105 posted on 08/17/2005 2:30:25 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Darwin Award Winners.


106 posted on 08/17/2005 2:31:27 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (Well, why did you pull a gun on me if you didn't want to have sex?)
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To: coloradan
"What's the price? Thirty, Twice."
(yeah, I know, Thunderbird...)
107 posted on 08/17/2005 2:31:41 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: BurbankKarl

"Police believe a bad batch of heroin may have contributed to the deaths of Mellie Carballo and Maria Pesantez, both 18 and with promising futures"

Isn't that an oxyMORON, two individuals were obviously hooked on coke and had herion needle tracks on their arms YET THE STUPID journalist states they had "promising futures" when CLEARLY they didn't and WON'T due to WRECKreational drug abuse that they CHOSE to die from! Yes (sarc) it was the bad terrible drugs that jumped off the table into those stupid girls veins and up heir nose. We should confine needles to life in prison!

Dopers, junkies and snorters HAVE NO RIGHT to complain and demand high industry standards on meat, milk and produce production and restaurant sanitation when they have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA nor do they care what the ingredients are in the GARBAGE they willingly choose to consume to get high off of.

Druggies ARE proof that Darwin was right!


Screams ............ D U H !


108 posted on 08/17/2005 2:32:19 PM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: ModelBreaker; 76834; G32
If those other rotten situations should be avoided, why shouldn't the existing one be ended? Do you support making alcohol illegal?

Were its hooks not so deeply embedded in our culture, yes.

Since drug criminalization is failing in all the ways that alcohol criminalization failed, your asssumption that cultural embedding makes a difference stands unsupported by the evidence.

109 posted on 08/17/2005 2:34:27 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: moonman

"both 18 and with promising futures" That darn 'bad' batch of heroin. Had it been a 'good' batch, well, who knows? The world may have been their oyster."

And their world would've been a FUZZY world filled with FUSSY logic. Welcome to deluded utopia of WRECKreational users.


110 posted on 08/17/2005 2:34:58 PM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: Know your rights

It's not failing.. You, on the other hand..


111 posted on 08/17/2005 2:35:32 PM PDT by G32
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To: BurbankKarl

The Darwin Effect is a GOOD thing.


112 posted on 08/17/2005 2:37:23 PM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over TWO YEARS now)
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To: trubluolyguy
Yes and it's a good start.

Your happiness at death is sickening. I know my Savior didn't think these deaths were "a good start" and neither do I.

A lot more start dying and maybe, just maybe these complete morons will get the picture that DRUGS ARE BAD FOR YOU!

A lot of people died from using illegal alcohol, and still die from legal alcohol; do you root for more such deaths?

113 posted on 08/17/2005 2:37:33 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: BurbankKarl

"He shouted down some intelligensia lady yesterday that called saying there was more drug abuse in the 20s than now"

Not likely since many Americans were TOO POOR to have any extra cash to blow on drug abuse. Particulary in Rural America where moon shine was predominently made for personal consumption not designer drug use. Rural people were thrifty not chemists.


114 posted on 08/17/2005 2:38:33 PM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: Know your rights

Whine whine whine..


115 posted on 08/17/2005 2:38:43 PM PDT by G32
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To: Enterprise

"The only promising future these two were going to have was street prostitution"


Careful, we already have the loony libertarians saying legalize Heroin....this'll put 'em over the top.

"Gimme a Hooker, an ounce of smack and I'll show ya a good F'n time!"

Nikki Sixx of the Rock Group Motley Crew.


116 posted on 08/17/2005 2:39:07 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (Well, why did you pull a gun on me if you didn't want to have sex?)
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To: G32
It's not failing.

Sure it is: street prices are stable or falling, ever more dangerous drugs are reaching the market (e.g., meth), while billions in WOD-inflated profits are funneled into criminal hands. If that ain't failure then the War On Poverty was a ringing triumph.

117 posted on 08/17/2005 2:40:18 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights

I'll answer your question with another.
We are kinda getting off topic here here goes!

At WHAT COST and WHO PAYS?

You want more safety devices, you want more government rules, more controls.

Take it from me, the railroads, and the truckers. do a great job on safety

Soon it would take a train to haul the new regulations. Then everything you use or have ever used in this world would be a lot more expensive.

Wouldnt it be better to teach the children the dangers of trains and in this example, drugs, rather than rely upon government.

The government cannot protect you regardless of the number of laws they enact.

Hell, the government cannot protect itself......



118 posted on 08/17/2005 2:41:33 PM PDT by 76834 (There's nothing wrong with sobriety in moderation.)
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To: G32
I know my Savior didn't think these deaths were "a good start" and neither do I.

Whine whine whine..

Yes, in the view of some Christ was a "whiner;" thanks for admitting you're one of them.

119 posted on 08/17/2005 2:41:45 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights

And fewer people use illegal drugs than alcohol or tobacco. It's a success by that measure for sure.


120 posted on 08/17/2005 2:42:00 PM PDT by G32
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