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DOES LT. COL SHAFFER HAVE AN "ASSOCIATIVE MEMORY"? (J-POD BARF ALERT)
NRO ^ | Aug 17, 2005 | John Podhoretz

Posted on 08/17/2005 8:51:04 AM PDT by spycatcher

Interesting e-mail from reader B.G.: "I believe your skepticism regarding Lt. Col. Shaffer’s memory – 'whether the otherwise obscure name of "Mohammed Atta" might have become part of their recollections after the fact because it became so famous' – deserves your reevaluation.

"I would contend that whatever Shaffer knew about Mohammed Atta and the Brooklyn cell would have been reinforced in, and not 'become part of,' Shaffer’s memory on and in the days immediately after 9/11. Other elements of the story, such as having three meetings to transfer this information cancelled at the last minute, and the resulting feelings of frustration, would suggest that these inter-related memories were more strongly ingrained in his memory—at the time they occurred—than other things of which he was also aware. There’s also the issue of associative memory—Able Danger was engaged in linking information and as a liaison Shaffer undoubtedly understood the nature of its work—in that (if Shaffer indeed has a strongly associative memory) his conciously recallable memories would have expanded as he probed his memory for relevant information, after the stimulus of hearing Atta’s name and seeing his face immediately after 9/11.

"It would be worthwhile to ask Lt. Col. Shaffer if he has a visual memory. It has been my experience that many of those who do not have a visual memory (and they vary in the way the function) do not appreciate or understand the associative power that a person’s memory may possess. If Shaffer’s memory (and thinking) is visually based, it’s likely that he had a flood of associated memories triggered by seeing Atta’s face on TV after the 9/11 attack."

If any of the radio talk-show hosts who will be interviewing Lt. Col. Shaffer today is reading this, it might make for an interesting question -- does he have an associative memory? How can he be sure about Atta's name when it was among a list of 60 others? Not to mention the other three hijackers he mentions?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abledanger; anthonyshaffer; atta; cognitivedissonance; crazycorner; gorelickwall; mentalillness; nro; nuttytheory; weldon
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To: spycatcher

"Yeah, and in this case the Commissioners were spending all their time bashing critics on TV."

Absolutely. I despised every one of them, especially the so-called Republican members because they aided and abetted the Democraps in their cover-up and diversionary tactics. It was the RINO members that allowed the panel to white wash the Clinton administraton's guilt for most of what we face today. They also helped the effort to lynch Bush and people like Condi.


41 posted on 08/17/2005 9:48:03 AM PDT by Cautor
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To: ncjetsfan

Excellent point.


42 posted on 08/17/2005 9:53:08 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: gaspar
EXCELLENT QUESTION!

Where are the pictures (of Podhoretz)?

;-)

43 posted on 08/17/2005 9:53:47 AM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball." - Jack Lemmon)
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To: spycatcher

My email correspondence wiith Jpod from a momment ago:

ME:
Subject line: Jpod YOU SHOULD BE PROUD!

"Your , er, insights now warrant "Barf Alerts" on FreeRepublic."

Jpod:

"so does this e-mail."


Seems to me I could get this guy to snap pretty easily. Just might have to do it...after I mow the lawn.


44 posted on 08/17/2005 9:57:46 AM PDT by Cosmo (Liberalism is for girls)
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To: ncjetsfan

Most of what you're seeing is a Podhoretz who can't simply apologize for jumping the gun and then simply continue his assessments of Able Danger. He's sometimes right but he's never gracious.


45 posted on 08/17/2005 10:02:15 AM PDT by Cosmo (Liberalism is for girls)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Has Podhoretz lost his mind? Shaffer says the documents PROVE they knew about Atta.


46 posted on 08/17/2005 10:03:37 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

someone's pulling his strings methinks


47 posted on 08/17/2005 10:06:58 AM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: spycatcher

"What's next? Does Lt Col Schaffer have homonymous quadrantanopia or complete bitemporal hemianopia? Yeah that's the ticket! Heck there's no story here, Shaffer is legally blind!"


Speaking of maladies, If Col. Shaffer's and Congressman Weldon's revelations are not fully ivestigated, I will be throughly convinced that Washington and MSM now has a terminal case of 'cranio-rectosis' rather than merely a chronic one.


48 posted on 08/17/2005 10:12:24 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: Cosmo

ME:
Subject line: Jpod YOU SHOULD BE PROUD!

"Your , er, insights now warrant "Barf Alerts" on FreeRepublic."

Jpod:

"so does this e-mail."

_____________________________________

Cosmo, your comment and his reply both had me ROTFLMAO! Priceless. I'm so glad now that I included a Barf Alert.

If you call him a stooge I bet you can get him to reply, "I know you are, but what am I?"


49 posted on 08/17/2005 10:21:53 AM PDT by spycatcher
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To: atomicpossum

JPod must have a friend who will be swept up in this HUGE scandal and that's why he's such a whinywimp.


50 posted on 08/17/2005 10:26:21 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: spycatcher
Are 9/11 Commission staffers lying when they say Shaffer didn't mention Atta during his discussion with them in Afghanistan in 2003?

On Tony's show today he said he kept notes of the meeting.

51 posted on 08/17/2005 10:31:11 AM PDT by mware (Trollhunter of Note)
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To: spycatcher
On Tony Snow's show just nw, Col Shaffer says he talked to Sekulow (sp??) at Bagram about AlQueda, Sekulow (sp?) gave him his card to call him when he got back to he states....Shaffer did call and talked to a staffer for Sekulow (sp?) and said he would get back to him. After a WEEK, Shaffer called again and the staffer said "we don't need to talk to you, we have all the info we need".!!

So it's POSSIBLE that Shaffer did NOT get the OPPORTUNITY to even MENTION Atta's name because Sekulow and his staff did NOT want to hear it!!!!!

President Bush needs to knock heads over this.

52 posted on 08/17/2005 10:33:59 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: spycatcher
On Tony Snow's show just nw, Col Shaffer says he talked to Sekulow (sp??) at Bagram about AlQueda, Sekulow (sp?) gave him his card to call him when he got back to he states....Shaffer did call and talked to a staffer for Sekulow (sp?) and said he would get back to him. After a WEEK, Shaffer called again and the staffer said "we don't need to talk to you, we have all the info we need".!!

So it's POSSIBLE that Shaffer did NOT get the OPPORTUNITY to even MENTION Atta's name because Sekulow and his staff did NOT want to hear it!!!!!

President Bush needs to knock heads over this.

Sekulow (sp?) is a TRUSTED aide to Bush. What's the story???

53 posted on 08/17/2005 10:34:49 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

Bush isn't going to touch that aspect of the story. the last thing we want to do if get the focus off what actually happened when the information was blocked from going to the FBI, and make the focus of this what happened in the communications of the historical data to the 9-11 commission. who really cares about that aspect of it frankly - the real story here is that 9-11 could have been prevented, the 9-11 commission was never going to get the real truth anyway.


54 posted on 08/17/2005 10:37:16 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: Ann Archy

interesting...


55 posted on 08/17/2005 10:39:02 AM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: Ann Archy

Zelicow is the name I think. There must have been others who told the investigators there's nothing to see so move along. But that conflicting info should have caused Commissioners to dig and to the bottom of it...except it related to the Clinton years so they stopped asking questions.


56 posted on 08/17/2005 10:44:53 AM PDT by spycatcher
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To: spycatcher

Bet he was always the last to be picked for the kickball team.


57 posted on 08/17/2005 10:58:15 AM PDT by Cosmo (Liberalism is for girls)
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To: spycatcher

Thank you. Zelicow needs to be put under oath and so do his staffers!!!


58 posted on 08/17/2005 11:04:55 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Solson

They are that loyal to the libs. But our internet communities can put their collective feet to the fire.


59 posted on 08/17/2005 11:08:29 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: oceanview

Sekulow = Zelikow


60 posted on 08/17/2005 11:10:32 AM PDT by STARWISE (GITMO IS TOO GOOD FOR THESE TRAITORS -- SEND THEM ALL TO EGYPT FOR QUESTIONING.)
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