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To: E Rocc

Well, now that the Israelis have made a huge concession, wouldn't reason and logic dictate that now it is the turn of Abbas to make a concession?

What concession is he making, or has even offered?

He has not even lifted a finger to fulfill the obligations under the "road map" other than to whine "I'm tryyyyiiiiing but the eeeeevil Eees-rah-aay-lees are not letting me!" which appears to be sufficient for the "George Bush is Jesus Christ" crowd.

No, Israel making this very huge concession has caused Abbas to demand EVEN MORE CONCESSIONS in return for his doing nothing.


185 posted on 08/17/2005 11:52:39 AM PDT by Alouette (Yibaneh Beit HaMikdash bimera b'yamenu, v'ten helkeynu b'Torahtecha)
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To: Alouette
He [Abbas] has not even lifted a finger to fulfill the obligations under the "road map"

The "roadmap" is a one-way steet where the Palies aren't required to hold up their end of the deal -- the stated "conditions" were just for show. ...and to get the ball a-rollin'.

Israel making this very huge concession has caused Abbas to demand EVEN MORE CONCESSIONS in return for his doing nothing.

As was expected. Folks have been arguing about whether or not the pullout is in fact rewarding terror (the people who think it's not rewarding terror seem to be convinced that we're witnessing a brilliant strategic move that will greatly benefit Israel in the long run, and that Gaza is the only place that will be conceded while Israel's presence in the W. Bank will be strenghtened), but no one can deny that the Gaza pullout gives the appearance of rewarding terror. .....which is always a bad thing.

226 posted on 08/17/2005 12:34:25 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Alouette
What concession is he making, or has even offered?
Curbing his radicals. That's likely a full time job right now.

-Eric

231 posted on 08/17/2005 12:38:49 PM PDT by E Rocc (Anyone who thinks Bush-bashing is banned from FR has never read a Middle East thread.)
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To: Alouette

From another thread:

To: technochick99
If it doesn't lead to peace, why is it necessary?

In order to protect 8,500 settlers in Gaza we needed as many or more soldiers -- and we still couldn't keep the settlers safe. The situation is untenable and unsustainable. There is no way to adequately protect 8,500 Jews in the midst of 1.3 million hostile Arabs. It can't be done.

If we keep all of the territories Arabs become the majority west of the Jordan in short order. How can we remain a Jewish state and a democracy if we have to incorporate these Arabs into our population? Simply, we can't. This is why the Palestinians started talking about a "one state solution". We can never permit that to happen.

Gaza is a crowded, poor, desolate hole. We tried to give it to Egypt. They didn't want it back. We tried to give it to Jordan. They don't want it either. Nobody does. It is ungovernable and unmanageable.

What Israel needs is secure borders and safety for its citizens. We take away the easy targets for the terrorists and wall them in with the most sophisticated barrier known to man. If the attack from within their walls the IAF can respond without fear of killing any Jews.

Security and demographics both argue for disengagement. If it also, as a side benefit, improves our standing in the world and makes the Palestinians look like barbarians, that is all for the good.
6 posted on 08/15/2005 1:09:40 PM CDT by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)


238 posted on 08/17/2005 12:57:33 PM PDT by technochick99 (firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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