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Ex-military marksman 'shot down sheriff's copter' (Jason Kerns former sniper in the US Marines)
Sydney Morning Herald & AP ^ | August 17, 2005

Posted on 08/17/2005 3:16:53 AM PDT by Former Military Chick

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To: CheneyChick

Here is a local link
http://www.krqe.com/expanded.asp?ID=11570


41 posted on 08/17/2005 4:12:46 PM PDT by vrwc0915
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To: Former Military Chick

Sounds like the media is resurrecting the old "psychotic veteran" thing that we had to deal with long after Vietnam.


42 posted on 08/17/2005 4:17:13 PM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: vrwc0915

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - Authorities have charged a former Marine marksman with shooting down a sheriff's helicopter, alleging that he bragged to investigators that it would be no problem for him to "make that shot."
Jason Kerns, 29, was arrested late Monday in the Aug. 6 shooting, and faces charges including assault with intent to commit a violent felony upon an officer.

Along with the boast about his marksmanship, Kerns told investigators he watched from his neighborhood as the chopper went down, according to sheriff's records released Tuesday. The records, however, contained no admission of responsibility.

Kerns was being held on $1.8 million bond. Police said they did not know whether he had obtained an attorney.

Authorities said they recovered several firearms from the suspect's home, including a rifle they believe was involved in the shooting, along with boxes of ammunition.

Pilot Chris Holland and sheriff's deputy Ward Pfefferle were in the copter when it went down and suffered injuries. Pfefferle reported hearing a gun shot.

Kerns is a former lance corporal honorably discharged from the Marine Corps in 2001, authorities said. He was a helicopter airframe mechanic who also worked as a marksmanship instructor, according to the sheriff's records.

Kerns told investigators the night the copter went down that he had been watching it hover low above a nearby golf course.

"I hate to say this but I was getting annoyed by the sound of the chopper because it was there so long," Kerns told investigators, according to the records.

He said he watched for a few more minutes then heard a "pop noise" and saw the copter crash.

Investigators questioned several people in the neighborhood and later went to Kerns' residence.

In an Aug. 8 interview, Kerns allegedly told an investigator who remarked that it would be difficult to shoot down a copter from a certain distance that he would be able "'to make that shot' at that distance with 'no problem.'"

Trajectory tests determined a bullet struck the helicopter's left pedal, one of the pedals that controls the craft. Had the bullet not hit the pedal, authorities have said it would have struck the pilot in the chest.

Holland, 43, suffered shrapnel wounds while Pfefferle, 51, suffered minor injuries. They were helping deputies on the ground who were investigating a burglary call when the chopper went down.


43 posted on 08/17/2005 4:21:08 PM PDT by vrwc0915
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To: vrwc0915

In an Aug. 8 interview, Kerns allegedly told an investigator who remarked that it would be difficult to shoot down a copter from a certain distance that he would be able "'to make that shot' at that distance with 'no problem.'


This was a dumb thing to say but heck any Marine should be able to hit a hovering helo at 400 meters, I can't say one way or the other if this guy did it or not but that would not be an unusual statment for a Marine to make. Marines are by nature confident about their abilities with a rife.

If this guy did it he deserves no special treatement but given the evidence they have, he may have just been an easy mark to pin it on.

I call BS on being to tell if the fragments came from his rifle, I am sure that they could tell that it was a .30 by the entry hole but after penetrating the airframe and striking the pedal I doubt that there would be usefull marks


44 posted on 08/17/2005 4:30:58 PM PDT by vrwc0915
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To: Clemenza

HARTMAN: Do any of you people know who Charles Whitman was? None of you dumb***** knows? Private Cowboy?

COWBOY: Sir, he was that guy who shot all those people from that tower in Austin, Texas, sir!

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SNOWBALL: Sir, he shot Kennedy, sir!

HARTMAN: That's right, and do you know how far away he was?

SNOWBALL: Sir, it was pretty far! From that book suppository building, sir!

HARTMAN: All right, knock it off! Two hundred and fifty feet! He was two hundred and fifty feet away and shooting at a moving target. Oswald got off three rounds with an old Italian bolt action rifle in only six seconds and scored two hits, including a head shot! Do any of you people know where these individuals learned to shoot? Private Joker?

JOKER: Sir, in the Marines, sir!

HARTMAN: In the Marines! Outstanding! Those individuals showed what one motivated marine and his rifle can do! And before you ladies leave my island, you will be able to do the same thing!

45 posted on 08/17/2005 4:41:36 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

LOL. Thanks Gunny!


46 posted on 08/17/2005 4:52:44 PM PDT by Clemenza (Pirro is Hillary with an (R))
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To: Former Military Chick
It says he was former Lcpl. and helicopter airframe mechanic who also worked as a marksmanship instructor. Hardly a combination for a sniper. The article also touts that he was a Marine marksmen. In the Corp a marksmen is the lowest rank, after sharpshooter and expert. I don't buy that he was a sniper. I think it is just media hype. Kind of like Lee Harvey Oswald was a former Marine sniper. If he was a helicopter airframe mechanic who also worked as a marksmanship instructor and a sniper I think he would have a little more rank then a Lcpl.
47 posted on 08/17/2005 7:44:58 PM PDT by BBell
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To: Former Military Chick
This is disturbing.

I'd be more disturbed about the case the press is trying to make by pushing stories like these.

48 posted on 08/17/2005 7:47:24 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (see my FR page for a link to the tribute to Terri Schaivo, a short video presentation.)
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To: ajolympian2004

I am continually amazed at the ignorance of some people.

This clown was a aircraft fixer, not a sniper. Marine snipers are not airwingers. They are mostly grunts who go through sniper school. Also, a Marine who qualifies as a "marksman" with the service rifle is qualified at the lowest possible level. Below marksman is "unqualified." Above marksman is "sharpshooter" and above that is the top, "expert."

Also, if he was discharged as a lance coolee, the chances are pretty fair he did not finish his full tour in the Corps and was a %#$!bird who got office hours and had other discipline problems.

Gunny, out


49 posted on 08/18/2005 8:14:44 AM PDT by GunnyBob
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To: CheneyChick

Thank you for making that clarification. I do think that somehow his military background will play should he go to trial.


50 posted on 08/18/2005 11:33:45 AM PDT by Former Military Chick (I salute all our Vets, those who walked before me and all those who walk after me.)
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To: Former Military Chick

OK, OK, he shot the sherrif.

But did he shoot the deputy?


51 posted on 08/18/2005 11:35:42 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Is your problem ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Hey, I exceded the speed limit by at least 10 MPH on my way to work today and I was a Marine in the mid 80's. There must be a 1 to 1 corrolation . I mean the MSM says so.


52 posted on 08/18/2005 11:49:06 AM PDT by Hoboken
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To: Former Military Chick

This person is my nephew. His mother says that he did not fire the shot. He states that his confession was beaten out of him. His mom is a very nice person and i tend to believe her. I do Wish him luck


53 posted on 09/11/2005 7:30:33 PM PDT by sonnytris
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To: vrwc0915

If he was a marksmanship instructor and airframe mechanic then he was no sniper, but as an instructor he would have certainly qualified expert and was/is a very good marksman.


54 posted on 09/11/2005 7:35:04 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The rats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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