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To: LibWhacker
So that sample is definitely telling us something.

That the "others" don't gather at the water hole? Maybe they aren't water based, or more likely they just communicate in some other band, probably something more like laser light than microwaves. And they aren't especially interested in us "primitives" finding them, so they don't waste any effort putting up beacons for us to see at those microwave frequencies. Or any of myriad other reasons they aren't transmitting on the frequencies we are looking for. Heck they could even be using modulation waveforms that our searches are not designed to find.

121 posted on 08/16/2005 9:38:19 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato; LibWhacker; AntiGuv; RightWhale; All
That the "others" don't gather at the water hole? Maybe they aren't water based, or more likely they just communicate in some other band, probably something more like laser light than microwaves. And they aren't especially interested in us "primitives" finding them, so they don't waste any effort putting up beacons for us to see at those microwave frequencies. Or any of myriad other reasons they aren't transmitting on the frequencies we are looking for.

SETI (at least the current trend) is searching for extremely narrowband carrier signals that are Doppler shifted due to planetary rotation. The Doppler shift is extremely important since if it is not there, we know the signal is either terrestrial or an artifact of the equipment itself. The other thing that is very important is the two-antenna approach. If two antennas, separated by a thousand miles, were pointed at the same patch of sky, this would not allow a satellite to "spoof" the system. First, the likelihood of it being within the footprint of both antennas are exceedingly small, and the Doppler characteristics between the two antennas would rule it out if such a thing happened.

All that said, I agree with the advances in communications technology can cause a search to be futile for many types of broadcasts. Frequency hopping spread spectrum and the like will make it far harder to detect a tool building species that uses radio (EM).

To be fair to the other side there is another factor in this conjecture. A race is progressing along and figures out that the electromagnetic spectrum is the only real practical method of long-range communications. So high-powered transmitters are built as this technology is in its infancy. As the engineering and science of radio advances, they figure out that tight beam, spread spectrum, synthetic aperture, frequency hopping, etc. are a way of not only saving power, but also bandwidth. So for the first 50 years they have been "bleeding" EM into space across a huge range of frequencies into and ever-increasing sphere of radio noise. However, do to technological advances, this RF that is being bled into space quiets down dramatically.

Now, lets jump a few years. This race has expanded off its initial planet and is exploring the solar system it resides in. (IMHO, star travel still remains firmly in the realm of SiFi) Somehow they have to communicate. So again high power transmitters are employed to accomplish this. Light is not out of the question, however, microwave is easy, cheap, less pointing accuracy requirements, and wont be drowned out by the star. So suddenly this race again is radiating RF into the universe. So according to this scenario, a race can emit RF then grow silent for a time, and then restart emitting RF.

Heck they could even be using modulation waveforms that our searches are not designed to find.

We only look for carrier. Modulation is not an issue.

137 posted on 08/17/2005 6:09:57 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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