Schism in Cal Libertarian Party over Anti-War Resolution

Primary sources ^ | August 16, 2005 | Wayne Lusvardi

[RoyalsFan]

I'm glad these people cannot get even 1% in a national election!

[BenLurkin]

The Libertarians are coming out in support of the terrorists?

[farlander]

"The naturally benevolent function of free market" ?

Really ? The free market is benevolent ? What freaking planet do these people live on ? The free market embodies competition and natural selection. Neither is "benevolent". And I got news, too - the alternative, islamic model is FAR less benevolenet. It's neither free, nor market. It's more along the lines of "if you don't give me what I want I'll kill you".

[cripplecreek]

I consider myself to be a Conservative (capital C) libertarian but only in an ideological sense. Politically I won't vote for libertarians because they put up NAMBLA members, prostitutes and strippers as candidates.

[RegulatorCountry]

Pie-in-the-sky notions about immigration and defense are what keeps me a "small L" libertarian and voting mostly Republican (not that the Republicans have been behaving all that libertarian or conservative of late).

If these folks ever get a clue, that the rest of the world does not share our western, (classical) liberal ways, and would destroy us if given half the chance, then maybe they'll get somewhere. Until then, I don't think so.

[WayneLusvardi]

I'm sorry here is the link below to the press release in L.A. County. Same anti-war resolution is now being pushed in Orange County resulting is threatened schism in party:

http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2005/8/prweb268319.php

[TomB]

I consider myself to be a Conservative (capital C) libertarian but only in an ideological sense. Politically I won't vote for libertarians because they put up NAMBLA members, prostitutes and strippers as candidates.

Don't forget blue guys:

[cripplecreek]

Ahhh yes Colliodal silver LOL.

[NeoCaveman]

in demanding that the United States government cease and desist in the most safely expedient manner possible from all foreign economic and military interventions, Iraq in particular, and correct its international policies so that it may at last begin to facilitate world peace through the naturally benevolent function of the Free Market.

I love the free market, but this is just funny.

[brooklyn dave]

I read a lot of Libertarian literature but the Libertarin Party USA is a freak show in many respects. Libertarians as a philosophy is interesting and I would be in support of many of it's ideas. But one has to seperate the freaky from the sane.

[edcoil]

Not too many Libertarians in Orange County. Went to a few meetings and met Steve Greenhut and others in a few debates.

Most of OC supporting our troops and Bush and wanting to keep the fight over there -- not here -- so that is why so few libertarians get much traction in OC

[pillbox_girl]

I'm glad these people cannot get even 1% in a national election!

Whether you're glad or not, it's stuff like this that keeps the official so called "Libertarian" party from getting more than 1%.

If the official Libertarian party weren't run by nutjob losers who spout off drek like this, they'd get more votes. But then again, without the nutjob losers who spout off drek like this, they wouldn't be such a bad party to have win a few elections.

[Hank Rearden]

The Libertarians are coming out in support of the terrorists?

Yes. Sure. That's the obvious conclusion to be drawn. Of course.

I hope you're not tasked with doing serious things like voting and driving.

[kidd]

Whereas, the National Libertarian Party Platform's Preamble states in part, "As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives, and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others";

Whereas, the National Libertarian Party Platform's Statement of Principles states in part, "...we support the prohibition of the initiation of physical force against others....";

I wonder how the Muslim Libertarian party did in the last Iranian election?

[pillbox_girl]

Libertarians as a philosophy is interesting and I would be in support of many of it's ideas. But one has to seperate the freaky from the sane.

The problem lies in that there are two basic varieties of libertarians. There are the conservative "leave me alone libertarians" and there are the fuzzy brained liberal nutjobs who, while they can't stomach the rampant socialism of the democrats, are indistinguishable in every other way (like the so called eco-libertarians).

Guess which variety controlls the official "Libertarian" party?

[BenLurkin]

LOL!

"Be it Further Resolved, that the United States government's declared purpose of "bringing democracy to Iraq" is an offensive imposition of the values of some of our citizens over a foreign sovereign people"

Whose side are they on?

[Dead Corpse]

Agreed. I consider myself sort of a Boortz-itarian.

We have a military. Like it or not. You don't refuse to us the perfect tool for a job because you don't like the person who MADE the tool. You do the job, then worry about making better tools.

We either fight the terrorists/Jihadi's over there... or we WILL be fighting them in our own back yards. Saying we just shouldn't be there in the first place is a sign of a mental disorder.

[Always Right]

Whose side are they on?

They are either with us or against us, and they certainly are not with us.

[Dead Corpse]

A lot of the Party Libertarians feel that it isn't our business to be liberating other countries from dictators. That if the people of those countries really wanted out from under their respective yokes, that it is up to them to remove those dictators from power.

Sometimes though, some people need a nudge in the right direction.

Also remember, the LP operates from a strict "non-initiation of force" principle. Where most of us pro-war libertarians differ is on who struck who first and what that response should be. We are the equivalent of "moral perverts" for wanting to kick a dictators ass in their eyes. I just see it as defense of human life against unjust agression.