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Freeper Joanie-f review of "The Great Raid" and what we dare not foget from it
FR ^ | 13-Aug-2005 | Joanie-f

Posted on 08/14/2005 6:57:07 PM PDT by Jeff Head

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To: oprahstheantichrist

Saw half of it today beforce it was stopped by a storm going through. Got a rain pass --literally--and am going back tomorrow.


61 posted on 08/14/2005 9:22:19 PM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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To: Jeff Head

What is sad is General Patton tried something similar in Europe. It was a devastating failure. and earned him many enemys who accused him of mounting the raid just to free his son-in-law.

I beter stop, I'm getting mad thinking of the quislings now in America!


62 posted on 08/14/2005 9:36:05 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Islam, the religion of the criminally insane.)
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To: Jeff Head; joanie-f

The movie sounds amazing and a rarity to come out of Hollywood. I will see it for sure.

And your political commentary afterwards is profound. It should be in every newspaper across the country.

Thanks for posting.


63 posted on 08/14/2005 9:39:11 PM PDT by downwithsocialism
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To: Jeff Head
Thanks Jeff, and Joanie!

I'd like to think that here at FR, that essay is mostly choir-preaching, but there is no such thing as too much truth, bravery or honor.

Maybe a trip to the theater is in order.

64 posted on 08/14/2005 9:46:15 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: Jeff Head; joanie-f

Thanks for the review Joanie , I shall spend the dime and buy the DVD when it comes out !!

To date my favorite read on the prep and plan for such a raid involved the attempt at Son Tay prison. The book I highly suggest ya read about the actual raid to free American POW's in Vietnam was written by Benjamin F. Schemmer , The Raid.

Was there ever a movie about Son Tay Jeff ?


65 posted on 08/14/2005 9:47:44 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Rebelbase

Yes, and today would have been a perfect day for Japan to offer sincere apologies and reparations to the families of the tortured and murdered, well to the whole country. You realize of course, that they never have.


66 posted on 08/14/2005 9:52:08 PM PDT by brushcop (We lift up our military serving in harm's way and pray for total victory and a safe return.)
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To: editor-surveyor
I'd like to think that here at FR, that essay is mostly choir-preaching, but there is no such thing as too much truth, bravery or honor.

Amen!

Maybe a trip to the theater is in order.

(Am I being too bossy? :)

67 posted on 08/14/2005 10:01:50 PM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: joanie-f

Thank you for your outstanding review. Very inspiring, as was the film.


68 posted on 08/14/2005 10:02:10 PM PDT by scottinoc
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To: Squantos
Will definitely check on the Schemmer book. And I'll be interested to hear how you compare the depiction of the Son Tay raid and the Cabanatuan rescue, once you've seen the movie.

The book this movie is based on ( 'Ghost Soldiers' ) is an excellent read, if you'd rather not wait for the DVD.

69 posted on 08/14/2005 10:02:15 PM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: scottinoc
Glad you've seen it already. Those of us who have seen it need to tell others. A movie in which there is absolutely no politically correct history revisionism is a rarity indeed. And unless we spread the word to fellow conservatives/patriots, its run is doomed to be a short one. Most of the mainstream movie critics are panning it brutally.

Thanks for the kind words.

~ joanie

70 posted on 08/14/2005 10:09:04 PM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: Jeff Head; joanie-f

I read this yesterday on another thread, but it didn't hurt to read it twice. ;)

Thanks again for writing it Joanie. And thank you, Jeff, for posting it as a thread of its own. The more people who read this, the more will see the movie- I intend to go sometime this week.


71 posted on 08/14/2005 10:13:09 PM PDT by SiliconValleyGuy
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To: Minuteman23

Thanks, Steve.


72 posted on 08/14/2005 10:15:38 PM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: SiliconValleyGuy

Thanks, Dave.


73 posted on 08/14/2005 10:16:19 PM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: joanie-f

I like to first see a movie and then read the book as the book is usually the truth for most of hollywoods attempts. I'll get the visual from the DVD and then the details from the book.

I had friends at Desert 1 that were part of Delta and albeit I haven't found a book on the subject , my talks with some of those guys all these years later revealed so much detail and planning that they didn't even take web gear due weight restrictions, just field jackets w/ a few magazine pouches sewn into the coats and other awesome stuff that can't even be repeated to this day. It was a dang shame that plan failed as those men would have carried out the rescue had their transport not failed em....

This raid, the Son Tay raid, Desert One etc were if anything were points in the history of this country that showed we are willing to come and get our troops and citizens from the enemy regardless of the risks.

Thanks....Stay safe !


74 posted on 08/14/2005 10:19:07 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: B4Ranch
The world screams at us for having prisoners at Gitmo and our response is to release them! These prisoners have never held such a fine idea of what imprisonment can be in their minds. They know about beatings and whippings, blood splattered walls in the interrogation rooms. They understand what a mass burial is because they participated in them.

The just-released movie, 'The Great Raid' shows us what Americans once were. That was a time in our history when the President wouldn't dare opening our borders to illegal aliens because there would be an armed revolt at the first sign of selective law enforcement.

I think the days have gone past to where Americans could ultimately survive as a people and as a culture. Today our government encourages immigrants to maintain their culture. We celebrate diversity and multi-languages rather than unity. We encourage dual citizenships and promote divided loyalties. We are rapidly evolving into North Americans of a multiculturalist continent where national sovereignty is frowned upon. This social engineering process is being supported by both parties making it more difficult to determine who we should vote for.

Sure, there is a few of us who refuse to accept what we have allowed to happen to our once great nation but soon we too will die of old age and that debate will settle into past history. It will be another NON recorded vote with only very few present that sends us over the edge and erases America from existance. We will soon become another United Nations state rather than an independent country.

Deserves repeating ...

75 posted on 08/14/2005 10:19:40 PM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: Brad's Gramma
This sounds like I'm going to have to break my MANY year's long record of not having seen a movie!!

Glad you are intending to break your record. :) You won't regret it. Those of us who have seen it also need to tell others. A movie in which there is absolutely no politically correct history revisionism is a rarity indeed. And unless we spread the word to fellow conservatives/patriots, its run is doomed to be a short one. Most of the mainstream movie critics are panning it brutally.

Thanks for the kind words.

~ joanie

76 posted on 08/14/2005 10:24:00 PM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: joanie-f
Yesterday my wife and I went to Crawford to help in the freeper rally to support the troops. On the way home we continued from Crawford on 317 to Moody, only about 17 miles. There we went to the Old Perry Cemetery where here uncle has a marker put there by my wife's mother and grandmother because that is where they were originally from.

Her uncle, Captain Otho L, Shamblin, and his family lived in Amarillo, Texas, but he was a member of the New Mexico National Guard because it was the closet guard unit to them. They were called up before Pearl Harbor and sent to reinforce the Philippines He was there when the Japanese invaded and he was captured along with the rest. He was part of the death march and survived until he was removed in December, 1944, to go to a Japanese prison in Japan and become part of the slave labor regime.

The ship he and almost eighteen hundred more American prisoners were on was sunk in Subic Bay by American dive bombers. Only fifty-nine survived and swam to shore with two escaping and making their way back to American lines. That was quite a feat after having been starved in those despicable Japanese prison camps for almost three years.

Captain Shamblin was one of the survivors. Unfortunately his was soon loaded onto another ship bound for Japan which was sunk by American bombers near Formosa (now Taiwan). This time he did not survive.

It is quite interesting reading all the correspondence between the War Department and the family, the letters and telegraphs, including one from Harry S. Truman. The first listed him as MIA and assumed either killed or captured by the Japanese. Later ones saying the Japanese government confirmed that he was a prisoner. Then the notification that he was killed during the bombing in Subic Bay. Then the corrections saying he survived, and finally the notification of the sinking of the ship he was on near Formosa and of his death on January 10, 1945. He survived much but he finally was against more than he could overcome.

His mother was president of the Gold Star mothers in Amarillo for years and did all kinds of volunteer work for the soldiers in the VA. She would be extremely upset by the hijacking of the Gold Star mothers name by Cindy Sheehan and the other Communists.

77 posted on 08/14/2005 10:30:06 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Yesterday my wife and I went to Crawford to help in the freeper rally to support the troops.

Even though the mainstream media will surely continue to cram Cindy Sheehan (and the other useful idiots who will no doubt continue to join her various left wing causes) down our throats, and pretty much ignore those of you who gave of your time and energy to show your support for our troops and the President’s Iraq policies, your efforts are appreciated by all American patriots.

Her uncle, Captain Otho L, Shamblin … He was part of the death march and survived until he was removed in December, 1944, to go to a Japanese prison in Japan and become part of the slave labor regime … The ship he and almost eighteen hundred more American prisoners were on was sunk in Subic Bay by American dive bombers. Only fifty-nine survived and swam to shore with two escaping and making their way back to American lines. That was quite a feat after having been starved in those despicable Japanese prison camps for almost three years … Captain Shamblin was one of the survivors. Unfortunately his was soon loaded onto another ship bound for Japan which was sunk by American bombers near Formosa (now Taiwan). This time he did not survive.

What an incredible story. Thank you so much for sharing it!

The letters and telegrams you referenced surely represent a heartbreaking chapter in your wife’s family’s history – especially the communication from President Truman. But what precious pieces of history you have. And what an incredible story of the Hand of Providence intervening in her uncle’s behalf, until it was time for him to leave this earth.

All of us are appalled and angered at Cindy Sheehan’s despicable beliefs and behaviors. I cannot even imagine how your wife’s uncle’s mother, as President of the Gold Star Mothers in Amarillo, would feel about the tarnishing of that once proud designation.

Again, thank you so much for sharing such a fascinating story of personal courage.

~ joanie

78 posted on 08/14/2005 10:47:21 PM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: joanie-f
I just replied on another thread to someone commenting that the hippies were either violating private property rights or rights of way as they were parked in ditches an the sides of the narrow road for a mile or so each side of their headquarters. I said they were just were they always are, in a ditch on the side of the highway of life.
79 posted on 08/14/2005 10:52:17 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

An excellent, quick-thinking response if I ever heard one!


80 posted on 08/14/2005 10:58:24 PM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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