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To: Paul Ross
FROM PRECISELY WHOM are they protecting this commerce from???

Well, I guess if there's no threat to shipping, there isn't a need for any military in the Pacific or the Atlantic.

And meanwhile China also is deploying bases all around the U.S., in Cuba, and Xlinton lets them grab both ends of our Panama Canal, building the Bahamas Super-Port, and another in Jamaica, and let's not forget Venezuela and Brazil...and planning on a super-canal through Thailand to avoid the Malacca Strait...

Are you are suggesting that China is building full scale military base in those areas? I really doubt that.

Why do I get the sense you are one of these Xlinton-apologists? "Move along, nothing to see here..."

Nope, not. I did vote for Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. Bush Senior, who was our Republican President (88-92), didn't have a problem with China's rise. In fact, that was one of Clinton's criticism of him, was that he was soft on China.

And how does THAT prove your point? All it shows is that Deng Xiaoping was more astute than Stalin through Breznev. This temporary civilian industrial emphasis was by the long-term design...the expediency of a phoney "peaceful rise."

Interesting that you see that it doesn't prove my point, but then you turn around and make a statement that implies that all the civilian activity is a big giant plan towards a military build up. Really, don't you see how alarmist your statement really is? It's difficult for me to believe that all this civilian activity is ultimately geared towards a military build up.

But that is changing now that the industrial "peaceful rise" is all but accomplished...we can just begin to see the signs of communist impatience as their goals come within reach... But then, suddenly (from their perspective), they see signs the West is having doubts about Chinese sincerity. The live frog in the pot on the stove is making energetic kicks and preparing to leap out before being fully cooked...

Once again, don't you think you're being an alarmist to a point of being theatrical and dramatic in your comments?

The Chinese communists are obviously mulling whether to dispense with continuing the charade, and debate whether the West has been milked of all the technology and capital that it will peacefully permit. Note the increasing strident communist displeasure the Politboro expresses about the EU's refusal to sell arms and dual-use technology. And the U.S. "interference" with Israel's illegal re-selling of U.S. technology to China. The wheels are turning. Time for the gloves to come off? The Dragon ready to bare its fangs and claws? Soon, perhaps, soon. Patience. That is the path of deception...Sung Tsu is integral to all their moves. Keep the enemy off-guard.

Oh, you should also be aware that much of the Chinese civilian economy is "dual-use" by their design.

Well, just about everything is dual use. Textile industry can make uniforms, auto into tanks, freighter ships into military ships, civilian aircraft into military, video/electronics/computers into an integration system, etc.

172 posted on 08/18/2005 11:24:36 AM PDT by ponder life
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To: ponder life; JohnHuang2; Alamo-Girl; tallhappy; buffyt
It's difficult for me to believe that all this civilian activity is ultimately geared towards a military build up.

Yes it is difficult for you.

Not, however, because you are either "non-alarmist", well-rounded, knowledgeable or intellectually balanced or emotionally stable. Although you probably imagine those to be your traits. A similar mindset thought that Winston Churchill was an alarmist, and "war monger."

The eternal shame heaped upon the appeasers is not eternal enough apparently, so quixotic and ephemeral is the modern appeasers ability to remember accurately or apply the lessons of history faithfully. They won't see reality clearly...by choice. Just as liberalism is a mental disorder, so is one of its primary traits...appeasement.

BTW, that is one of the things the Chinese and Arabs both pride themselves on...is a superior grasp of those lessons of history over every other culture (so they imagine anyways). And they especially prize their duplicity against the enemy. And they truly despise weakness, which is how they perceive us intellectually and morally when we fail to perceive their enmity. And who is to gain say them today, with our Jay Walk Generation, who can't even point to the U.S. on the globe, let alone any other nations?

Those who don't see what's coming have scales over their eyes. Most likely of a purpose. It could be spiritual hubris, and/or self-imagined wisdom or greatness. I should also note that you seem to be tilting against the DOD itself. Is it alarmist? With a raft full of Panda-Hugging Chinese apologists...they still are beginning to voice the very same concerns we have been making ever since China successfully stole all of our nuclear secrets...

Do you remember the PLA's hutzpah then? Apparently filled with self-confidence in their ultimate victory, they brazenly TOLD US they had done so. Perhaps knowing that their kept President Xlinton, and the China Import lobby would soon manage to make everyone in the U.S. forget what was really happening...and continuing to happen...and make the Cox Report of no effect. "Time heals all wounds" especially in an amnesiac society too self-absorbed.

They count on us being blinded, mesmerized by a weak understanding of China, and of the World in general...too proud to accept that we are in fact being mortally challenged. That we are on the receiving end of an undeclared war, which only temporarily remains covert and non-shooting. To appeasers, Winston Churchill ALWAYS appeared to be a foolish alarmist. "The Better View" was always condescending and disparaging towards the TRUTH, and they engaged in vitriolic personal condemnation of him. Have you ever once in your life wondered why that was so?

Do you think we are any brighter, smarter, or better educated than Stanley Baldwin or Neville Chamberlain in their day? In fact, as a society, and the officials in our government...are demonstrably less so. So because we are currently riding high...we imagine in vainglory that we always will be. Hubris.

I Corinthians 1:27 " But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty..."

176 posted on 08/19/2005 9:06:05 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Definition of strict constructionist: someone who DOESN'T hallucinate when reading the Constitution)
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