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Gaza Disengagement/Expulsion Live Thread
FR live thread | 7/14/2005 | none

Posted on 08/14/2005 1:25:44 PM PDT by adam_az

Edited on 08/14/2005 1:28:27 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Live thread for posting breaking news about the Gaza Explulsion which is set to begin within the hour...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: appeasement; arabs; deportation; disengagement; gaza; gushkatif; israel; judenrein; pullout; retreat; squatterremoval; suicide; terrorismpays
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To: Maigrey

woman struggles with Israeli forces today as they carry her to a bus in Gaza’s Neve Dekalim settlement.

841 posted on 08/17/2005 9:34:03 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

"Which one of you is able to dig my brother's grave up?" a young girl asks the expulsion forces over and over again.

842 posted on 08/17/2005 9:36:43 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Txsleuth

Caller reports the police and soldiers are focussing on the infiltrators (samarians?) first, then will deal with the residents that are remaining.



>>>>>You mentioned on another post that the the withdrawal was stopped...what did you mean by that?


843 posted on 08/17/2005 9:38:05 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Hundreds of soldiers reportedly refused orders, most of them before reaching the gates of N'vei Dekalim. Others fainted or broke down crying.

A well-tended garden is set on fire by its owner Wednesday morning, out of concern that the labor of love will fall into the hands of murderers who are poised to inherit it.

"Would you throw your own wife and children out just because you were told to? Do I not look human to you?"

844 posted on 08/17/2005 9:41:43 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: adam_az
I continue to be puzzled.

Israel "owns" all of Israel, including the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, having won them as the spoils of war not once, but three times.

And yes, can anyone answer this?

Why can Israel so easily relocate her own citizens, but can't bring herself to "relocate" known and identifiable mass-murdering "palestinnians" from her own territory?

I am totally puzzled about that.

845 posted on 08/17/2005 10:01:13 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Reborn
Are we supposed to use our Ouija Boards to guess what the symbols mean on that map??

Pretty map, but not useful without more information.

846 posted on 08/17/2005 10:04:13 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Publius6961

I continue to be puzzled.
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Me Too. It's like seeing Israel giving back that area to the Philistines.

I heard a PA representative on CNN earlier. She said the relocation of these Israeli's to other parts (or any where in Israel) of the Westbank is a violation of the road map to peace agreement. If that is so then all of Israel is doomed. Sharon better get ready to put a match to his house aswell because he lives there illegally along with those poor Gazan's. What a boon for the Terrorists...


847 posted on 08/17/2005 10:19:48 AM PDT by juzcuz
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To: Publius6961
I guess you are talking about the map posted in post #155. I was in a real hurry that day trying to post news and other items. Wasn't even sure where I grabbed that map. BUT, perhaps.......if we try to think about it for a minute, we might be able to figure some thing out about it (gasp) on our own. Now, where did I GET the map? Well, I clicked on the map and found the jpg site where it was located. It's easy, and anyone can do it. ;-)

Next, I went to the map at A7 and found that, upon looking around quickly, I didn't SEE any symbol explanations at hand there either. Note, that I'm in a hurry, and don't wanna take the time to look deeper there. BUT it looks to me like the Jewish town have Red Dots, and the Palis towns have Black Dots. The Blue in the top left is probably the Sea, and the little Airplane Symbol probably means An Airport it located there. The Magnifying Glass probably means that if you are There at the map's website, you can click the glass for more info. The word Egypt probably stands for the nation of Egypt.

There! Did that help? :-) If not, you might wanna try GOING to www.israelnationalnews.com and scrolling to the bottom of the page where it says "Maps", and then click on the Maps word, and then look at them yourself. And if these maps aren't pleasing, then feel free to google and find us better ones. :-D

848 posted on 08/17/2005 10:23:25 AM PDT by Reborn
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To: Reborn

bttt


849 posted on 08/17/2005 11:27:26 AM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Reborn

BTTT!!!


850 posted on 08/17/2005 11:30:07 AM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Lord, we need a Logan miracle for Simcha7 and Cowboy. Please.)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Reports of soliders carrying kicking teenagers into the busses.

851 posted on 08/17/2005 12:04:44 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl


852 posted on 08/17/2005 12:11:11 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Pictures=1,000 words!


853 posted on 08/17/2005 12:21:28 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Txsleuth

"I thought this thread would have hundreds of posts this morning...what is up?"


Txsleuth, I cannot speak for others but I have been reading this thread since Sunday and I have not posted on it once....my heart is breaking and I find I have no words.

Perhaps the pain these dear people (Settlers and IDF) are being put through has stolen my ability to reason and write.

I am very grateful to those who have been posting.


854 posted on 08/17/2005 12:53:38 PM PDT by Bennett46
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To: Bennett46

I know, perhaps you are right. I know when I was watching FNC this morning when the Fox reporter was in the house of a family that didn't want to leave, it got ME crying for them...and I couldn't have posted then either.

For any other "lurkers" that don't know what to say...just know that we all feel that way that have come to this thread...and even though we don't know WHAT to say, I am sure we all are grieving with you and the families in Israel..

God Bless them all!


855 posted on 08/17/2005 1:01:24 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Txsleuth; Bennett46

I believe we're all over here....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1465080/posts


856 posted on 08/17/2005 1:43:56 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Lord, we need a Logan miracle for Simcha7 and Cowboy. Please.)
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To: Txsleuth; Brad's Gramma

Thank you, both!


857 posted on 08/17/2005 4:20:28 PM PDT by Bennett46
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To: All

The final push by Israeli soldiers and police is about to begin....

FOX11 news in LA broke in live for 10 minutes

the live radio feed is on again


858 posted on 08/17/2005 10:15:28 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl



Hundreds barricaded in Kfar Darom synagogue

Security forces have created a perimeter within Kfar Darom early Thursday morning lining up around all the homes and the center of the settlement.

Security forces, including cavalry trucks, spread throughout Kfar Darom by the thousands just after 7 a.m. Thursday, according to eyewitnesses.

Special forces carrying detailed maps of the community have filled the settlement and there is a soldier or police officer every five yards.

At the same time, protesters knocked down a huge telephone antenna and it was lying in the middle of the street.

Settlers were calling on the forces to refuse order, calling it an expulsion of Jews from their homes.

"What they are doing to us is an atrocity," said David Goldberger, originally from Australia, one of the settlement's many infiltrators.

"Security forces should refuse orders and not participate in a mission against Torah and God's will," he added.

Groups of men were still praying morning prayers and reciting psalms on the porches of their homes.

In an attempt to stop the forces, locals and activists laid down nail studded lengths of rubber pipe overnight Thursday.

Several hundred youths have barricaded themselves in the synagogue and have affixed concertina wire along the roof with a sign reading "Kfar Darom shall not fall a second time."

Meanwhile, throughout the settlement, soldiers and settlement leaders were negotiating.

Early on Thursday morning, thousands of security forces arrived at the main gate of Kfar Darom and to the break in the fence on the southern side of the settlement that youths tore on Wednesday. As the forces arrived, loudspeakers blared throughout the settlement, telling the youthful infiltrators who arrived over the past few weeks to "go to their special points."

The youths could be seen running to pre-assigned posts on rooftops, and assuming predetermined responsibilities, organized by groups of eight youths, each led by a squad commander. Unlike settlements like Morag, which assembled makeshift barricades of branches and rubbish, the activists in Kfar Darom employed concrete blast barriers and pre-assembled chains of nails designed to puncture the tires of arriving vehicles.

The secretary of Kfar Darom expressed his hopes that the actions Thursday would "end in peace and that none will be injured."

He reiterated earlier claims that "our instructions are [to resist] without violence and not to strike, but in any case to battle with all means at their disposal and to hold on to this place."

He promised, however, that Thursday's attempt at evicting the Kfar Darom settlers and their reinforcements would not be a simple task. "There will be a stubborn struggle over the land of Israel, the people of Israel and of the Torah of Israel," he said.

Rumors spread Wednesday evening that Kfar Darom, considered one of the two most hardline settlements that have yet to come to an agreement with the evacuation forces, was to be evacuated on Thursday morning.

Kfar Darom has become swollen with illegal activists in recent weeks since the declaration of the whole of the Gaza Strip as a closed military zone. According to the settlement's spokesman, Asher Mivtzari, at least 1,200 infiltrators were camped out in the settlement, reinforcing the 65 families already living there.

On Wednesday, several hundred settlers broke out of the settlement and pushed large cinderblocks off a bridge and tried to torch a nearby Arab house, witnesses said. Security forces arrived, brought the fire in the house under control and tried to push the settlers back into Kfar Darom. Palestinians threw stones at the settlers.

Residents proudly cite Kfar Darom's history as a groundbreaking settlement dating back to the days before Israel won her independence. Kfar Darom came into existence for the first time in 1946. Two years later, during the War of Independence, the nascent kibbutz was besieged by the Egyptians and after holding out for three months, the settlers of Kfar Darom were evacuated in the summer of 1948 and the kibbutz fell into Egyptian hands.

After the 1967 Six Day War, Kfar Darom was reestablished by the Nahal Corps and reverted to civilian status in 1989. Throughout the recent intifada, Kfar Darom and its approaches were focal points of terror attacks and rocket fire.


859 posted on 08/17/2005 10:21:25 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Settler places barbed wire around the synagogue of Kfar Darom

860 posted on 08/17/2005 10:23:22 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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