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1 posted on 08/12/2005 5:14:25 PM PDT by neverdem
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but since we're at "Peak Oil" (barf alert) http://www.peakoil.net/ , CO2 emissions should be reaching a maximum right about now. Then using the CO2 logic, we're going to sink into another ICE AGE!!! Oh, THE HUMANITY!!!


34 posted on 08/12/2005 6:00:28 PM PDT by theymakemesick
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OK OK, Lets say that this is a proven fact that it will warm 2.0c by 2100.

We still have not determined, "How much of this is human caused vs. nature?"

And even if we answer this question:

The next two are even more difficult to answer, maybe we should just leave it alone:
What can we do without causing another equally bad result??
        --    We could do more damage than what would have happened if we had left it alone.
        --    We are talking about trying to manliplate the climate on a global scale.

And secondly, what is the cost benefit analysis say?
        ---    Are we trying to buy pennies for dollars???
        ---    It it going to cost more lives to stop it vs. just dealing with it?
37 posted on 08/12/2005 6:06:27 PM PDT by dila813
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It's all China's fault. And India's. And, of course, Bush's.


38 posted on 08/12/2005 6:09:34 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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Guess we better start building those nuke plants.


39 posted on 08/12/2005 6:10:47 PM PDT by Tribune7
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All this "global warming" stuff will be irrelevant if John Roberts is confirmed to the Supreme Court.

We're all doomed! Doomed!

Demologic/off

41 posted on 08/12/2005 6:14:24 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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"The new warming trend is still well below ideas of dramatic or catastrophic warming."

Bottom line, literally.

43 posted on 08/12/2005 6:25:50 PM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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I check the weather three or four times a day on Yahoo, and it changes about three times a day. The US Meteorological Service can't even predict the weather throughout the course of one day.

Mr. Bailey, sie sind voll mit scheiss.

44 posted on 08/12/2005 6:33:42 PM PDT by Hardastarboard
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Despite what global lukewarmers say, the issue has never been about whether or not the climate is changing. Given the physical evidence, the tree rings, the ice cores, the ocean sediment samples, it would be silly to deny the climate is always changing.

The record is very clear: the earth has been far warmer at times in the past than it is today. The mammoth tusks being harvested in Siberia prove that region was far warmer in a long ago era, long before SUVs roamed North America.

The real issue is: what will humanity do about climate change? Indeed, can we or should we do anything?

It is no surprise that the Global Lukewarmers insist on devising solutions that always reduce personal freedom, increase the power of big and bigger government, and increase costs and taxes.

Will it benefit or harm humanity that the growing season in some areas of the world get a few days longer, or that it warms up enough that once again Greenland can be settled by farmers and ranchers, like it was by Erik the Red almost 1000 years ago.

But wait! If Greenland was that warm once, and Global Lukewarmers don't care to discuss how that came about, or how that destroys their climate models, should we speculate their predictions about the future climate trends are solid enough to speculate hundreds of billions of dollars on?

It seems like a lot of Global Lukewarmers are in a big rush to impose their solution. But is there really a problem that we can solve? Prudence dictates that we not be in any big hurry. If global warming was global, then its effect should be seen, well, globally. Please consider the chart on John Daly's climate change web site. Here is the temp chart for three cities in Columbia, Bogota, Neiva and Las Gaviotas. Where is the warming trend? http://www.john-daly.com/stations/bogota.gif Here is a link to the charts for other cities and city pairs: http://www.john-daly.com/stations/stations.htm Like this city pair in Finland and Sweden: http://www.john-daly.com/stations/jyvaskyl.gif Where is the "global warming"??
45 posted on 08/12/2005 6:48:12 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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WE'RE DOOMED!!!!!

54 posted on 08/12/2005 10:23:51 PM PDT by mysto ("I am ZOT proof" --- famous last words of a troll.)
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Did anyone on this thread even read the article?

1) Reason isn't socialist; just the opposite.
2) Nowhere does the author even hint that the observed warming is man-made, or can be averted by artificial means.
3) The point of the article is to debunk the "to save the planet we all have to move into caves" hysteria of the environmental cult.

56 posted on 08/12/2005 10:31:54 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("As a Muslim of course I am a terrorist"--Sheikh Omar Brooks, quoted in the London Times 8/7/05)
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Based on this lousy, hot, humid weather I too am a firm believer in "global warming" -

- during the summer months!

58 posted on 08/12/2005 10:35:08 PM PDT by M. Espinola ( Freedom is never free)
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Excellent read, and one I've bookmarked. Thank you. There are two types of information I follow closer than other types : 1)Global warming studies and 2)stem cell research. I don't know if you've seen these article, but they are interesting:

Increasing Carbon Dioxide and Global Climate Change and Unilateral and Right

From the latter:

That's why a new study, funded in part by NASA and announced in a Harvard University press release on Monday, is so important. The study concludes that, contrary to popular belief, "Many records reveal that the 20th century is likely not the warmest nor a uniquely extreme climatic period of the last millennium" [emphasis in the study]....

...Soon is quoted as saying: "Many true research advances in reconstructing ancient climates have occurred over the past two decades, so we felt it was time to pull together a large sample of recent studies from the last five to ten years and look for patterns of variability and change...

"In fact, clear patterns did emerge showing that regions worldwide experienced the highs of the Medieval Warm Period and lows of the Little Ice Age, and that 20th century temperatures are generally cooler than during the medieval warmth." ...

And my favorite quote from this...Needless to say, there were no SUVs 1,000 years ago.

64 posted on 08/12/2005 11:53:07 PM PDT by GummyIII (If you have the ability, it's your responsibility." Marine Sgt. John Place, Silver Star recipient)
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What am I gonna do with all those heavy coats I bought in the 70's when the "NEW ICE AGE" was all the rage? Trade them in for shorts and Hawaiian shirts?
65 posted on 08/13/2005 12:05:33 AM PDT by KingNo155
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""Anyone still holding onto the idea that there is no global warming ought to hang it up. All data sets--satellite, surface, and balloon--have been pointing to rising global temperatures. ""

yes, but is it man made..seems awfullly narcisistic to think global wamring can only occur with the hand of man


76 posted on 08/13/2005 3:20:50 PM PDT by atlanta67
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read later bump


77 posted on 08/13/2005 9:44:46 PM PDT by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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To: neverdem
Lets try to remember that during the Classical civilizational period, the average temp was 3 degrees higher and yet Rome nor Sparta nor Alexandria were under water....hmmmm how could that be? Even the Sahara was smaller then then it is now!!!

Maybe what the hairy armpit tree huggers really fear is that we'll all start walking around half naked and in togas again and then everyone will see how ugly they are!


My fraternity was a lot like Animal House


79 posted on 08/15/2005 8:49:26 AM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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