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To: Integrityrocks
Interesting story.. doesn't quite match my claim, but the concept is the same. It's the people that are really blitzed that matter.

BAC Scratching

By Jacob Sullum

March 11, 1998

After I've had three pints of beer in an hour, I'm pretty tipsy. But the Drink Wheel, a computer program available at www.intox.com, says my blood alcohol concentration (BAC) is well below 0.08 percent.

That's the legal limit for driving in 15 states, the standard that a bill recently approved by the Senate aims to impose on the whole country. The American Beverage Institute (ABI), which represents restaurateurs and other opponents of the bill, has argued that a 0.08 limit would cover a lot of social drinkers who are basically OK to drive. My encounter with the Drink Wheel suggests otherwise.

Granted, tolerance for alcohol varies from person to person, and it's risky to extrapolate from a sample of one. But the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) reports that attention, speed control, braking, steering, gear changing, lane tracking, and judgment are all measurably impaired at a BAC of 0.08.

It seems fair to say that a reasonably cautious person would not fully trust his driving ability at this level of intoxication. But that's not a sufficient basis for a federal law.

To begin with, the Constitution leaves such matters to the states. That's why the BAC bill's sponsors, instead of simply legislating a national limit, are threatening to withhold highway funds from states that do not adopt a 0.08 standard. This maneuver, which was also used to establish a de facto national drinking age of 21, is an end run around the 10th Amendment.

Constitutional concerns aside, a lower BAC limit would be a waste of law enforcement resources if it failed to reduce crashes. The ABI notes that a 0.10 standard, used by 33 states and D.C., applies in eight of the 10 states with the lowest rates of alcohol-related traffic fatalities, and those rates are no higher in the United States than in 16 industrialized countries with lower BAC limits.

Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD), the main group pushing a national standard, cites a 1996 American Journal of Public Health study that compared traffic deaths in five states that switched to the 0.08 limit with traffic deaths in five other states. Overall, the study found a 16 percent reduction in crashes that killed drivers with BACs of 0.08 or more.

In a before-and-after study like this one, it's impossible to separate the effect of the limit itself from the impact of factors such as publicity, new penalty procedures, and more-aggressive enforcement. Furthermore, the 16 percent figure was based on a pooling of data that made the results seem stronger than they really were.

Only two of the states (California and Oregon) saw statistically significant drops in fatalities, while a third (Utah) saw an increase significantly lower than the increase in a comparison state. An ABI-commissioned analysis by Data Nexus Inc. found that the advantages for California and Utah disappeared when different comparison states were used.

Another reason to be skeptical: Drivers with BACs between 0.08 and 0.10 are involved in just 6 percent of alcohol-related traffic fatalities, according to NHTSA data. And it's important to remember, especially when dealing with relatively low BACs, that crashes are considered "alcohol-related" if a driver has consumed a detectable amount, whether or not it contributed to the accident.

More than three-quarters of the drivers in such accidents have BACs of 0.10 or more, with 62 percent above 0.14. The average BAC for fatally injured drunk drivers is a whopping 0.18 percent.

This pattern raises issues of fairness as well as efficiency. The driver who's just had three pints of beer may be negligent, but he's not nearly as reckless as the one who drank half a bottle of whiskey. Should the law treat them the same?

Blurring such distinctions paves the way for a ban on driving after any amount of drinking. MADD says "nearly one quarter (3,732) of the 17,126 alcohol-related traffic deaths in 1996 involved drivers with BAC levels below .10," and "MADD thinks that's a problem worth solving." But three-quarters of those 3,732 fatalities involved drivers with BACs below 0.08. So why stop there?

Steve Simon, chairman of the Minnesota DWI Task Force, says "0.05 is better. That's where we're headed. It doesn't mean we should get there all at once. But ultimately it should be 0.02." Under that standard, it would be illegal to drive home after drinking a beer. MADD insists it won't go that far. But its logic does.

(c) Copyright 1998 by Creators Syndica

13 posted on 08/12/2005 11:49:21 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King
The data certainly seems to bear this out:

Figure 4-19: Relative Risk of a Crash by Race
at Given BACs - Grand Rapids Study

56 posted on 08/12/2005 12:39:53 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (John 6: 51-58)
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To: Rodney King
Another reason to be skeptical: Drivers with BACs between 0.08 and 0.10 are involved in just 6 percent of alcohol-related traffic fatalities, according to NHTSA data.

Even this figure is meaningless without a baseline number.
What percentage of traffic fatalities are caused by drivers who are stone-cold sober?

57 posted on 08/12/2005 12:56:18 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Rodney King
Another reason to be skeptical: Drivers with BACs between 0.08 and 0.10 are involved in just 6 percent of alcohol-related traffic fatalities, according to NHTSA data. And it's important to remember, especially when dealing with relatively low BACs, that crashes are considered "alcohol-related" if a driver has consumed a detectable amount, whether or not it contributed to the accident.

This REALLy violates any concept of presumption of innocense.

After having a single beer after work, 2 hours before driving, I had a very low BAC. I then came within 1ft of a (probably drunk pedestrain) crossing a dark wet road in dark cloths. I figure I was 1 ft away from an alcohol related vehicular manslaughter charge, and probably 10+ years in jail. Alcohol had nothing to do with my inability to see and react to the idiot.

70 posted on 08/12/2005 2:55:38 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Rodney King

According to the Drink Wheel, I could have 5 pints (16 or 20 oz? How strong?) of beer over 2 hours and still be just a hair over the limit (.085 BAC). I can tell you from personal experience that after 5 pints (18 oz, I think) of 5% alcohol beer (v/v) in a 2-hour period that I am really not in any condition to be driving. So, to my point of view, a cut off of a .08 BAC seems quite generous, actually.


295 posted on 08/15/2005 10:49:26 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: Rodney King

ps, I also agree that the penalties for DUI should be geared towards the level of intoxication - someone just barely over the limit should not be punished nearly as harshly (I'd suggest a shortish license suspension would be appropriate) as someone who is at 2 or 3 times the legal limit behind the wheel.


297 posted on 08/15/2005 10:51:31 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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