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Victor Davis Hanson: Actually Listen to what al-Queda Really Wants
National Review Online ^ | 8/12/05 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 08/12/2005 8:18:55 AM PDT by Jacksonville Patriot

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1 posted on 08/12/2005 8:18:56 AM PDT by Jacksonville Patriot
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To: Jacksonville Patriot

You notice how our enemies use our own decency to shackel us and deman we follow our humane laws as they slit the throats of our children?

I think it is time that we make an anouncement that we are leaving the stated sets of rules we follow to take care of a disease that has infected our world. We will return to our original programing as soon as possible.


2 posted on 08/12/2005 8:25:25 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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I think it is time that we make an anouncement that we are leaving the stated sets of rules we follow to take care of a disease that has infected our world.

Such a change in the rules of engagement would happen only after suffering far more damage than we have already, I'm afraid. The sheeple will remain asleep until then, ignoring our enemy's stated words and, as VDH mentioned, imparting our own motives for their hatred.

3 posted on 08/12/2005 8:44:05 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Jacksonville Patriot
It's too bad and not in our nature but there is nothing to do with these people but wipe them from the face of the earth. Why do we hesitate to do so with these people when it was so clear what we had to do with the Nazi's?

And why in the world would we be for creating them a state to operate in? Especially when it involves dismantling Israel? If Hitler were alive today we would be arguing that he has a certian right to be world dictator.
4 posted on 08/12/2005 8:53:54 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Jacksonville Patriot; Salem; jan in Colorado; backhoe; knighthawk
BTTT


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5 posted on 08/12/2005 9:26:42 AM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Jacksonville Patriot
You will find that the Jews were behind all the civil strife in this world. The Jews are behind the suffering of the nations. . . The day will come when everything will be relieved of the Jews. . . Nothing could be clearer than that promise of another holocaust

Scratch out the word Jew and put in the word white and you'd have a good description of what's openly and proudly preached from every major university, every major publishing house, every Hollywood studio, every television network and from the U.S. government. And unlike what's preached by Sheik Ibrahim Mudeiris, this hate is having a palpable effect in reaching its goal as headlines of the last few days have shown. You'll wait in vain for Davis to attack this jihad with even a portion of the enthusiasm he shows for the efforts in the Middle East because unlike attacking militant Islam attacking the internal jihad has direct consequences for his career (he'd be fired by NR, for starters). There is no clash of civilizations only an internal civil war in the West which Hanson and company are not merely losing but are being obliterated. His over-the-top enthusiasm for adventures in the Middle East is in inverse proportion to his impotence at home.

Indeed, the latest two-hour training video is little more than cut-and-paste from the Michael Moore Left

Just so.

6 posted on 08/12/2005 9:30:45 AM PDT by jordan8
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Yet there is one and only one legitimate objection of the crackpot radical Islamists that rings true: We in the West don’t listen to them when they promise us our deaths.


"I see your lips moving but all I hear is blah-blah-blah-blah."

7 posted on 08/12/2005 9:35:06 AM PDT by shezza (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: Jacksonville Patriot
When white Europeans use these words we call them Nazis.

When Palestinian Muslims use these words we call them freedom fighters.

8 posted on 08/12/2005 9:37:06 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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9 posted on 08/12/2005 9:38:12 AM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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10 posted on 08/12/2005 9:43:01 AM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Jacksonville Patriot

The ONLY thing Islam and Muslims are TRUTHFUL about is their hatred of the Jews and all infidels. They are brutally HONEST about this- yet the world REFUSES to believe.
The LIES they come up with, however, are lapped up- because they aren't as frightening. They console.
If we actually believed when they speak the truth about their ultimate goal, we would have to do something; and it would be ugly.
Islam is SCREAMING IN OUR FACES,every day on the news. In EVERY mosque in the world-INCLUDING in the US. Not 'radical' Islam- ISLAM, as it is taught in every mosque and Islamic school; as it is written in their 'holy' Koran. There is only ONE Islam.
It's screaming HATE and DEATH to all who won't submit.
And the fools among us hear 'we are a religion of peace.'

My God, we've taken delivery of a Trojan Horse, and we are making it feel at home!


11 posted on 08/12/2005 9:54:34 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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It's difficult to get the screaming out here on the internet, but I'm right there with you. They could not be clearer in their intentions. You have to be completely committed to ignorance not to hear or see it.


12 posted on 08/12/2005 10:05:13 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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People need to read the words from these characters themselves- if you don't you will never comprehend the backward viciousness of it.

I recommend MEMRI's free e-letter-- subscribe to it here:

MEMRI: The Middle East Media Research Institute

13 posted on 08/12/2005 10:11:00 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trakball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: Jacksonville Patriot
One measure of just how culturally corrupt the West has become is that there has never been any doubt of al Qaeda's intentions. However mendacious Arab culture has been accused of being, it is telling the absolute, stark truth in this and has been rather articulate about doing so. It is the Western media who have been misrepresenting it for their own purposes of cultural jihad, e.g. portraying Zarqawi's throat-slitters as patriots as Michael Moore has done because it serves the squalid purpose of temporary political gain.
14 posted on 08/12/2005 10:12:59 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Jacksonville Patriot
Hanson uncharacteristically lays an egg with this one.

He doesn't actually tell us what "Al Qaeda Really Wants." He merely passes on some rather unsurprising quotes from guys whom everybody already knows a) wants to kill us; and b) want to recruit Muslims to their cause.

The inclusion of the Palestinian cleric's anti-Jew rant doesn't even belong in the litany: he's fighting a different war (or, at the very least, fighting in a whole 'nother theatre) than bin Laden is.

And thus it makes little sense for Hanson to end up with this: Yet there is one and only one legitimate objection of the crackpot radical Islamists that rings true: We in the West don’t listen to them when they promise us our deaths. We should. They are yelling as loud as they can to tell us something that we don’t really want to hear.

Hanson surely knows that we (the U.S.) are listening hard enough to have committed large military forces to the fight against al Qaeda.

I guess this article needs to be filed under "Things that make you go 'Hmmmmm.'"

15 posted on 08/12/2005 10:24:34 AM PDT by r9etb
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16 posted on 08/12/2005 10:39:19 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Jacksonville Patriot
“Democracy, human rights, and freedom are all but hollow illusions, with which they tranquilize inhabitants.”

Sounds like Karl Marx

17 posted on 08/12/2005 10:45:54 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: Jacksonville Patriot
September 11 was the promised answer to bin Laden’s fatwa. Later when America withdrew all troops from the land of Mecca, his death promises increased rather than ceased.

The US should have stayed in Saudi Arabia, big time, instead of getting out. All we got for our appeasement of the Saudi's was higher oil prices and more Al Qaeda funding. This move was a Bush43 as Neville Chamberlain, to be sure.

18 posted on 08/12/2005 10:55:45 AM PDT by elbucko
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They are brutally HONEST about this- yet the world REFUSES to believe.

Actually, what the World figures is that if they hate Jews they can't be all bad.

Which is why the WTC attack germinated when Arafat, wearing a gun, was welcomed and cheered at the UN.

19 posted on 08/12/2005 11:02:23 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: ClearBlueSky
My God, we've taken delivery of a Trojan Horse, and we are making it feel at home!

Yes we have and yes we are. Which begs the question about just who the "we" are - name names - and why the "we" are doing it to "US".

20 posted on 08/12/2005 11:06:50 AM PDT by elbucko
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