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Nurse Recalls Famous Times Square Kiss
AP ^ | 8/12/05

Posted on 08/12/2005 5:32:40 AM PDT by linkinpunk

Today: August 12, 2005 at 5:27:12 PDT

Nurse Recalls Famous Times Square Kiss

By PAT MILTON

ASSOCIATED PRESS

NEW YORK (AP) -

A kiss is just a kiss - but not this kiss.

The photograph of the exuberant kiss by a sailor on the lips of a surprised nurse in Times Square remains, 60 years later, an iconic image of the day World War II ended.

"It was a very long kiss," Edith Cullen Shain, who says she is the nurse in the photo, recalled Thursday. "It was like a dance step, the way he laid me over in his arms."

Shain said she closed her eyes and never looked at the sailor.

"I just got lost in the moment," said Shain, now an 87-year-old great-grandmother from Santa Monica, Calif.

To Shain's delight, a life-size color sculpture by J. Seward Johnson based on the photograph was unveiled Thursday in bustling Times Square. It will be displayed through Monday.

Shain recalled the pandemonium on Aug. 14, 1945, the day of victory for the Allied forces over Japan, when people grabbed anyone and hugged and kissed each other.

"I let him kiss me because he had been in war and he fought for me," Shain said of the sailor. "I only wish now I had had a conversation with him or asked his name."

Unbeknownst to Shain, the smooch was snapped by Life magazine photographer Alfred Eisenstaedt. It was featured in the magazine the following week.

Shain, then 27, said she recognized herself when she saw the photograph but didn't tell anyone because she was "too embarrassed."

Soon after the photo ran, she moved to California, married twice and had three children. She gave up nursing and taught kindergarten for 30 years.

In 1979, she told Eisenstaedt in a letter that she was the nurse in his photo. She said Eisenstaedt, who died in 1995, flew out to California to interview her and confirmed that she was indeed the nurse.

But the sailor's identity remains a mystery.

More than 20 men have come forward through the years claiming to be the kisser. One went so far as to have digital images of his face taken to create a 3-D model, which was then aged and transferred to the face on a copy of the kiss photograph - and he claimed it was a match.

But Shain, who said she was kissed by only one sailor that day, thinks he will never be identified.

"There were so many people kissing," she said, "I think they all believe they are right."


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To: Coop

Or maybe his breath was that bad.


I choose to believe that he was a real man and made her swoon with his kiss.


41 posted on 08/12/2005 3:26:22 PM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: joanie-f

Greatest generation ping.


42 posted on 08/12/2005 3:28:01 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: LoudRepublicangirl

I can understand that. :-) But now I have to face the reality that I'm not a real man... [sob]


43 posted on 08/12/2005 5:07:02 PM PDT by Coop (www.heroesandtraitors.org)
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To: Ditto
Looks like two cameras shooting at the exact same time. Note the sailor in the background - his knee is bent the same while he is walking.

I recall an article about this photo (last year about this time?) that was dissecting the image (position of his hands, her knees, her face, etc.) and saying it was basically a rape! Glad to hear the old gal is still around and can STILL enjoy this kiss.
44 posted on 08/12/2005 5:16:45 PM PDT by geopyg ("It's not that liberals don't know much, it's just that what they know just ain't so." (~ R. Reagan))
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To: Coop

I'm sure you are a real man too!


45 posted on 08/12/2005 7:48:55 PM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: Euro-American Scum
You cannot possibly know how opportune your ‘greatest generation ping’ is to me today.

As you probably already know, I am not a movie-goer – only set foot in a theater maybe once or twice a year, if that -- for three reasons: (1) most of the ‘stuff’ that passes for cinematic excellence these days is no more visually or intellectually rewarding than staring at road kill, (2) I cringe at the thought of lining the pockets of the politically-activist Hollywood left, and (3) I’d rather be biking. :)

With that disclaimer out of the way … Rick and I saw the just-released movie ‘The Great Raid’ last night. Knowing the shared love that you and I have for ‘Saving Private Ryan’ and ‘Band of Brothers’, I told myself that I must e-mail you this weekend and alert you to this new ‘greatest generation’ portrayal (so now a post here will do just as well, since you brought up the subject yourself. :)

Before telling you a little about the movie, let me first describe three reactions (two audience, and one personal) that may provide a clue as to its impact:

(1) I generally wear a headband in my hair (it’s long) to keep it out of my face. I took the headband off during the movie and was holding it in my hands. During one of the more emotionally wrenching scenes, I unconsciously broke it in half. :)

(2) The theater was about half full. When the daring POW rescue around which the story centers succeeded, and the American POWs and their rescuers walked/staggered/were carried through the camp gates, the audience erupted in applause and some cheers, accompanied by tears.

(3) When the story had ended, the credits began to roll, accompanied in the background by dozens of black-and-white photos of the actual POW camp survivors, their rescuers, and their welcome home to American soil. Hardly a person in the theater left until the credits and stream of photos were over. And, when we did leave, we all left in silence.

The movie is based on two books: ‘Ghost Soldiers’ (which I have read, and highly recommend) and ‘The Great Raid on Cabanatuan’ (which I intend to read now. :)

It is the story of what is said to be the most successful rescue mission in the history of the American military. It beautifully details how the 6th Ranger Battalion (comprised of an elite group of 121 men), accompanied by a large group of Filipino guerrillas, traveled thirty miles by foot, behind enemy lines (which numbered nearly 30,000 Japanese), in order to rescue the 511 remaining survivors of the Bataan Death March. Word had come back that the Japanese were torturing and brutally murdering American POWs rather than housing them until the end of the war. The plan was to rescue those survivors who represented the mere five percent who endured the unprecedented, sadistically barbaric Bataan march, and then three additional indescribably brutal, gruesome, macabre years in Camp Cabanatuan in the Philippines. Miraculously, 523 Japanese troops were killed or wounded during the raid, yet only two Americans and twenty-one Filipino guerillas were killed in the mission, with two dying afterwards of their wounds.

I won’t go into much more detail about the story (although it is extremely difficult not to want to share some of the more arresting and wrenching scenes) because I hope you will try to see the movie, and because I suspect that you are already painfully aware of the factual account of the brutality of the Bataan Death March, the inhumane conditions in the POW camp, and the details of the rescue itself.

‘The Great Raid’ portrays one extraordinarily moving chapter in the Pacific theater in the same way that ‘Saving Private Ryan’ does regarding D-Day and its aftermath in Europe. As a movie, ‘Saving Private Ryan’ may be somewhat more powerful, but the impact of this movie is significantly enhanced by the fact that it is not a fictional account. And it’s a shame that the magnificence and inspiring success of this raid, in the face of overwhelming odds, were eclipsed by subsequent events such as the liberation of Iwo Jima and the bombing of Hiroshima.

What made the deepest impression on me was the fact that the elite Ranger battalion was ordered on this mission, not because it in any way benefited the Allies in a militarily strategic way. It was simply a mission of mercy – a seemingly impossible, suicidal assignment: to traverse thirty miles, by foot, outnumbered by enemy troops in the area by a ratio of 100:1, and rescue and transport home the last of those who, three years earlier, had been abandoned when Macarthur was ordered to leave the Philippines. The mission was simply to bring home those last remaining 511 men who had endured a hell on earth the likes of which none of us can even imagine, and who had come to believe that their country had abandoned them.

The sadistic tactics of the Japanese army (beginning in one of the very first scenes, in which American POWs were herded into underground air raid shelters, into which gasoline tanks were then rolled and ignited – and any burning POW who ran from the conflagration was gunned down) eerily reminded me of many of the hauntingly brutal scenes in Jeremiah Denton’s Vietnam-era POW saga, ‘When Hell Was in Session’ or ‘The Hanoi Hilton’.

I have been repeating, again and again, here on the forum that I believe that one of the most powerful forces working to bring our republic to her knees is the fact that America arose from Christian roots, but much of the rest of the world doesn't share that foundation or its viewpoints. The genius of our founding fathers, and the grace and generous blessings of God, gave birth to our indispensable national belief that human life is precious, and must be treasured and preserved at all costs. To ignore the fact that that fundamental cultural belief is not shared by much of the rest of the world may one day prove to be the death of us.

We need only look at the brutal human atrocities portrayed in this film … and beyond: to Stalin’s Ukrainian starvation, the Holocaust, the Vietnam POW camps, the killing fields of Cambodia, Mao’s ‘cultural revolution’, North Korea’s purges and concentration camps, genocides in Armenia, Ethiopia, Turkey, Biafra, Rwanda, East Timor, Sudan … ad infinitum.

We need only look at comments such as this one, made recently by a high-ranking member of the Chinese Communist Party:

Whatever the case may be, we can only move forward fearlessly for the sake of our Party and state and our nation’s future, regardless of the hardships we have to face and the sacrifices we have to make. The population, even if more than half dies, can be reproduced. But if the Party falls, everything is gone, and forever gone!

And now, when ‘terrorists’ (such a nebulous term, when so many violent, bloodthirsty splinter groups are included under that massive umbrella) threaten to murder all humans who do not choose to believe as they do … now is the time when we must recognize, and defensively react to, the fact that life is not precious to the rulers of the majority of the global population … and those who knowingly elect to follow them.

Even more disturbing, and equally necessary to acknowledge, is the fact that life is not as precious to those of our countrymen who occupy the far left of the political spectrum as it is to the rest of us. And, because of their lowering of the bar as regards the sanctity of life, they are every bit as much enemies of this republic as are foreign ‘terrorists’.

Our ‘homegrown enemies’ defile life by their acceptance and support of partial birth abortion, convenient euthanasia, and the like.

As recent evidence of the fact that, in the mids of the far left, political power and the furtherance of political ideology places a reverence for life lower on a list of human priorities, consider the number of decisions (both overt and behind-the-scenes) made by our forty-second president, and his cohorts on the Hill and in the courts, that were either treasonous or short-sighted … many of which still put this entire nation and her people at risk. The most recent example of this atrocious behavior is the revelation that Clinton administration lawyers ordered military intelligence officials to keep under wraps, rather than sharing with the FBI, sensitive information they had discovered on Mohamed Atta, the instigator of the 9/11 attacks … and that Clinton and the mainstream media, yet today, are treating this abominable revelation as a non-story, in spite of the fact that that very directive might well have contributed to the loss of 3,000 American lives.

The extreme left also seeks to downplay (at best), or ignore (at worst), the human atrocities committed by our foreign enemies. We are no longer permitted to see photos of beheaded ‘infidels’, hear reports of kidnappings, tortures and mutilations, or re-witness innocent Americans jumping to their deaths from the conflagration that was once the World Trade Center. And the average American has very little, if any, real knowledge of the inconceivably gruesome structures and implements of torture and dismemberment our soldiers have unearthed since our liberation of Iraq. We are shielded from the human-on-human barbarism occurring in so many parts of the world. If you ask the average American ‘In how many countries do you believe torture, genocide and/or slavery are prevalent?’ I would imagine he couldn’t name more than one or two, when, in reality, there are dozens … and growing.

And our ‘homegrown enemies’ strategy is a double-barreled one. In addition to suppressing the fact that our belief in the sanctity of human life is not shared by much of the rest of the world, they also invariably seek out, or manufacture, examples of ‘American barbarism’ in an effort to prove that the wars in which we are involved are prosecuted on a more-or-less level moral playing field.

Just one of the more recent of countless examples: The behaviors of a few mental degenerates (whose incidence probably represents .001% of the population of this country) in the Abu Ghraib prison ‘scandal’ was plastered all over our (and the world’s) televisions for weeks on end … and it still merits mention now and then, when a ‘homegrown enemy’ seeks to paint the American conscience with the same brush stroke as the mindset of those who seek our destruction, and who value human life only to the degree that it suits their purposes or furthers their agenda.

Some of the most recent such ‘homegrown enemy’ utterances have come from Cindy Sheehan, in an address she gave at San Francisco State University:

'America has been killing people on this continent since it was started.'

'The biggest terrorist is George W. Bush.'

'The U.S. government a morally repugnant system.'

In just the past couple of weeks alone, Harry Belafonte, Jane Fonda, and Dick Gregory have echoed the same ludicrous types of accusations, and worse. Multiply those three leftist Hollywood types by several hundred. And then multiply that by the number of mindless followers such glib celebrities impress and you have an idea of the number of Americans who believe this country is every bit as evil as those who would destroy us.

The American republic isn’t without warts. Far from it. But our Christian roots, and Judeo/Christian view of life (yes, I happily plead guilty to unbridled, America-centric political incorrectness) places the American belief in the sanctity of life at odds with much of the rest of the world. And, falling prey to the efforts of our enemies within by allowing ourselves to be convinced that we are just as ruthless as our enemies, will prove deadly. It will dilute our vigilance. It will promote the ‘we are the world’ mindset that believes that all men are good, if only we are willing to sit at the same table with them, and treat them with dignity and respect.

The ‘greatest generation’ learned that significant lesson the hard way. And, by virtue of their integrity, courage, sense of duty, and love of country, they emerged victorious over power-hungry barbarians.

Now, six decades later, the power-hungry barbarians are wearing a new face, and are no longer concentrated in fairly easily definable areas on the globe. Some of them even live among us, in terrorist cells throughout the country. So, in some ways, we need to be more wary, more suspicious, and more vigilant than our heroes of the ‘40s were … because we are under attack on so many more fronts.

We must recognize that ‘their’ (our foreign and home-grown enemies’) assessment of the value of life is diametrically opposed to ours. And we must realize that they are forever attempting to camouflage that fact by either hiding or disguising their beliefs, or by deliberately distorting ours. If we don’t acknowledge that distinction, we will downplay the need for vigilance, and we will ultimately fail in our responsibility to step forward and fill the shoes of ‘the greatest generation’.

Reflecting on that distinction may prove uncomfortable.

Not doing so threatens our very survival.

~ joanie

46 posted on 08/13/2005 8:35:42 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: joanie-f
Your essay deserves a post of its own......

Title it - America

47 posted on 08/13/2005 8:47:52 AM PDT by prognostigaator
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To: linkinpunk

That was when America was really America. If such a thing happened today, the man would have been charged with sexual assualt, thrown in prison, and labeled a sex offender.


48 posted on 08/13/2005 8:56:36 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: linkinpunk
"I let him kiss me because he had been in war and he fought for me," Shain said of the sailor.

I wonder if she was part of Operation Take One For The Country....

49 posted on 08/13/2005 9:01:28 AM PDT by krb (ad hominem arguments are for stupid people)
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To: 2Jedismom

I bet 2Jedisdad would have something to say about that...


50 posted on 08/13/2005 9:02:42 AM PDT by krb (ad hominem arguments are for stupid people)
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To: MarineBrat

LMAO!! Best truthful and clearly understood definition I have seen! Thanks. MRN


51 posted on 08/13/2005 9:10:11 AM PDT by mississippi red-neck (You will never win the war on terrorism by fighting it in Iraq and funding it in the West Bank.)
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To: joanie-f

Joanie, you are a national treasure!!!

And I'll say it AGAIN: You should run for national office. What a replacement you would be for Arlen Specter in six years!

You have Email.


52 posted on 08/13/2005 1:38:05 PM PDT by Minuteman23
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To: joanie-f
Joanie, You hit the bull's eye as usual.

I would add one thing under your evidence of "homegrown enemies" and that they don't value life the way we do. Remember the long list of "Friends of Bill" who all happened to die untimely and sometime mysterious deaths?

I know much less about the war in the Pacific than I do about what happened in Europe. I guess I should be embarrassed to admit I didn't know about this rescue mission until now, and I guess I'll have to spring for a ticket and see it for myself. I can't remember the last time I went to a movie- it has to be close to two years. My reasons for staying away are the same as yours.

The American republic isn’t without warts. Far from it. But our Christian roots, and Judeo/Christian view of life (yes, I happily plead guilty to unbridled, America-centric political incorrectness) places the American belief in the sanctity of life at odds with much of the rest of the world. And, falling prey to the efforts of our enemies within by allowing ourselves to be convinced that we are just as ruthless as our enemies, will prove deadly. It will dilute our vigilance. It will promote the ‘we are the world’ mindset that believes that all men are good, if only we are willing to sit at the same table with them, and treat them with dignity and respect.

The very best part of an excellent post.

(Love the headband part too though. Seriously, it really brings home the effect the movie must have had.)

53 posted on 08/13/2005 6:58:03 PM PDT by SiliconValleyGuy
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To: Ditto

Two different views. Must have been a 'long' kiss.




You think Alfred didn't bracket his exposures?


54 posted on 08/13/2005 7:03:17 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: joanie-f
Joanie...post this as a thread of its own. It deserves to be written up in every major publication in this country...but should at least not remain lost to most Freepers in a single thread...albeit having it here is better than not having it at all.

I will be sure and see this movie...but your words regarding this nation and its internal and external enemies need to be heard.

Please consider doing so...or allowing me to do so for you.

55 posted on 08/14/2005 12:54:00 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: joanie-f
I marvel at your capacity for detail, and the ability to express yourself with eloquence and clarity. Would that I had a fraction of that ability.

I don’t post much of a substantive nature on FR anymore. The site is wrought with factions. And I have neither the time, the wherewithal, nor the inclination, to deal with the inevitable sniping, ad hominem attacks, and accusations that invariably result from any opinion, well thought out or not.

But your post rates a response. Unlike you however, I don’t crank these things out. Lately such reflections come at great effort for reasons of which I’m sure you are all too aware.

I had breakfast with a friend of mine yesterday. I hadn’t seen him since Memorial Day. We ran into each other that morning at Bellevue Cemetery in Ontario, CA – where I normally go on that weekend to honor the fallen and pay my respects to Tom Eckl (196th Lt. Inf. Bde., KIA 20 February 1968, Kontum Province, Republic of Vietnam) who is buried there.

Normally, he brings the whole family with him. And this year was no exception but for one notable absentee member. His oldest son, Christopher, was missing. This was unusual, because the young man had always shown up for such things. Not that day. When I asked about this, his father told me Chris was at Fort Benning, GA, having enlisted in the Army after he graduated high school. As his father told it, his intent was to take Airborne AIT, and upon successful completion of that course, volunteer for Ranger training.

I was astonished. The kid was something of an underachiever. He was very quiet. I always chalked this up to the typical teenage phenomenon of having nothing to say around adults. He didn’t have much ambition or direction. But he had a quiet fascination with all things military. He never got enough of Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers. And when I came back from Europe last year, he bombarded me with questions about Normandy, Holland, Belgium, Germany, indeed, all the places I had seen during the 60th anniversary of D-Day tour.

My first thought, in talking with his father that day was, “My God, what have I done?” What level of influence did I bring to this young man that resulted in such a significant decision? I had always been the token Vietnam veteran in an otherwise upscale Southern California area dominated by doctors, lawyers, corporate executives, liberals all, and nary a veteran among them. I had been the only one who wore a plethora of lapel pins at semi-formal functions in the area – 101st Airborne pin, jump wings, Vietnam campaign pin, CIB, everything I had. And until this May, I discounted that such displays had any impact on him at all. Yesterday I got clarification on the role I played in his decision.

His father assured me that Chris was taking stock in his situation since January. He concluded (correctly, I believe) that his prospects were limited. He was not college material, at least not at this time. His job prospects, with no education or skills, were equally bleak. At the same time, he had this passion to be part of something special. Additionally, he wanted to do something significant.

So, I had but a small role to play in the recent turn of events. All the same, if anything happens to him when he gets deployed, I can’t shake the nagging feeling that I’ll have more blood on my hands. Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa. And for this, there can be no absolution.

His father went on to point out that the family is in what can be only described as a general state of denial about the whole thing. Particularly his mother. It’s like they haven’t digested the gravity of his decision or its consequences. And that’s the one area that I strongly encouraged them to come to terms with. They need to sit down as a family and have the serious talk. They need to come to terms with the inherent risks and dangers their son and brother has taken on. If the worst happens, and he does not come home, the consequences for ignoring this harsh reality can be catastrophic.

Now, how does this relate to the greatest generation?, you may ask. I’ll tell you. During my month in Europe last June, I talked to every WWII veteran I could. And beyond that, I talked to their wives. And each and every one of them reflected on how they knew they were putting their lives on the line. They knew they might never come back. They knew the pain of that loss for surviving family members would be devastating. And each and every one of them knew that it had to be done. There was no question, and there was no compromise. And that the consequences for failure at that time, and in those places, would be a dark age not seen in the world since the days of the Black Death.

That sentiment, that commitment, resonated from one end of this country to the other. And that’s the great difference between then and now.

When I drive through their seven-figure neighborhood, I now notice that theirs is the only home with an American flag flying from the house. Theirs is the only home that flies the Army banner. And theirs is the only family that gets snide remarks from the neighbors, the local high school, and local merchants who do business with the father, even the mail carrier.

They have joined a minority group. They are among the select few who will soon have a loved one deployed. And they are quickly discovering that the rest of the community not only does not care, but is not touched by the conflict that the country is facing. And that’s another great difference between then and now.

This family is getting dragged out of its comfortable, secure, seven-figure lifestyle. They now have to live with a nagging sense of worry. And it will grow when their son and brother gets deployed. In this, they will be quite alone. They will not only have to endure this amidst the contempt of their neighbors, but with their indifference as well. And that is perhaps the unkindest cut of all.

Among the families of fighting men, the current commitment to the task at hand rivals that of the greatest generation in WWII. But the days when we can expect that level of solidarity on a national level are gone. The culture we’ve created will not support it. And the politicians do not have the spine to demand it, because it would upset their nice, comfortable constituency that provides them with the almost limitless power they so enjoy. And that applies to both parties, across the board.

With the level of commitment of the WWII generation, the U.S. could not fail. American fighting men crossed beaches from Guadalcanal to Normandy and beyond. They engaged a determined, ferocious, often suicidal enemy and beat them back again and again. Part of that, indeed most of it, was due to what the men were made of. But a lot of it had to do with the fact that the nation – the entire nation – was united behind them.

Without that level of commitment, the war on terror is little more than a soundbite on the evening news, conveniently sandwiched in between sports and weather, to be taken in, considered, and discarded. Fade to black. And now some scenes from next week’s show. And the flag-draped coffin will come home to somebody else’s house, not ours.

I will do what I can in the coming months. But as you know, I have problems of my own, and they are severe. Just how much support I can give them remains to be seen.

And if this post was not long enough, I’ve enclosed some images from the D-Day Memorial Ceremony at Pointe du Hoc on June 6 of last year. Take a good look at them. We’ll never see their like again.

Forgive me, Joanie. I’m having a very bad day today.

Bud Lomell. D Co., 2nd Rangers, 6 June 2004.

Ranger veterans of Pointe du Hoc. D+60 years.

Memorial Ceremony, Pointe du Hoc, June 6, 2004.

56 posted on 08/14/2005 2:41:20 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Euro-American Scum

"They have joined a minority group. They are among the select few who will soon have a loved one deployed. And they are quickly discovering that the rest of the community not only does not care, but is not touched by the conflict that the country is facing. And that’s another great difference between then and now.

This family is getting dragged out of its comfortable, secure, seven-figure lifestyle. They now have to live with a nagging sense of worry. And it will grow when their son and brother gets deployed. In this, they will be quite alone. They will not only have to endure this amidst the contempt of their neighbors, but with their indifference as well. And that is perhaps the unkindest cut of all."


Yet they will have found a new family , in themselves, and in the extended family of service personel. I think they will be rather surprised at the support they will find if
they but open themselves to those other families who's sons
and daughters, husbands and wives, and fathers, have chosen to take on the responsibility of being citizen/soldiers.

If they have questions or feel the need to talk, please
direct them here, while FR can be fractious at times there
are plenty of former service people, their families, and
a LOT of just plain citizens who recognize and support them.

Thanks for YOUR service.
Tet68.


57 posted on 08/15/2005 3:05:30 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68
Thanks for YOUR service.

Back at you.

58 posted on 08/17/2005 12:04:31 AM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: linkinpunk
Toxic masculinity at its best. 😊
59 posted on 02/18/2019 8:53:18 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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