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To: Pylot
" sealing it with a wall and armed guards is a great start. "

It was tried and didn't work. See my profile page.

1. Fences only serve two purposes, stopping vehicles and delineating the border. They don't stop individuals. See Inspector General's Report linked on my profile page.

2. We tried assigning 32 guards per mile to a 66 mile border of double fences. Illegals still climbed over the fences and made past the guards at a rate that extrapolates into 1.2 million per year just for the two thousand mile Mexican border.

3. According DHS there are 102,000 miles of land borders and shoreline (including the Great Lakes) that would have to be patrolled. Even at 32 guards per mile (which isn't enough) that would be over 3 million guards, an impossible number to hire.

4. Even if we could magically seal the border, it would not prevent illegal immigrants. About 1/2 of the illegals in the country now originally entered legally as tourists, students, on business, etc... and simply didn't return to their homeland.

During my lifetime, liberals have been emotionally driven while conservatives have grounded their positions in reality. People who say that we can seal the border if we just believe hard enough are not grounded in reality. They are driven by emotionalism.

21 posted on 08/12/2005 7:42:16 AM PDT by bayourod (Winning elections is the only thing Those who glorify losing are unclear on the concept of democrac)
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To: bayourod
Your excuses above are laughable.

For once, just come out and honestly state your reasons for wanting to keep open borders.

Not one freeper believes your cover story, rod.

23 posted on 08/12/2005 7:49:15 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: bayourod

You have your opinion, backed up by your information.

I have mine.

You also seem overly eager to associate all of us who want to defend our country from illegal invasion with racists. That is a Jesse Jackson class of tactic.

If the entire southern border were sealed and we actually defended the border, there would be no way for millions to cross.

We are not dependant on illegal labor, that is a sham perpetrated by those who profit at the expense of the citizens of this country.

I am not willing to give up so quickly and I am not buying your argument.


32 posted on 08/12/2005 8:21:54 AM PDT by Pylot
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To: bayourod
3. According DHS there are 102,000 miles of land borders and shoreline (including the Great Lakes) that would have to be patrolled. Even at 32 guards per mile (which isn't enough) that would be over 3 million guards, an impossible number to hire.

Incorrect. The United States has a border perimeter of just under 20,000 miles. By reducing your inflated numbers by 80% to reflect the actual border perimeter of the United States, that would mean that the number of guards necessary to patrol our border would be about 600,000.

38 posted on 08/12/2005 1:26:37 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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