[7thOF7th]

I understand the presumption of innocence but we are not talking about a trial we are talking about apprehending a suspect in known possession of a weapon. All precautions are relevant here.

[thoughtomator]

Do you also approve of the method used to deal with the Branch Davidians?

The use of a SWAT team, and an early-morning forced entry into a civilian's home, in a case where a person is not even suspected of a violent crime is completely out of proportion and cannot be justified. The actions of the police officers did far more damage than taking no action at all would have - there was no violence at all except for the police violence.

Murder charges are appropriate.

[68 grunt]

... presumption of innocence but we are not talking about a trial ...

Not talking about a trial, talking about an execution.