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Highway Bill Sends Billions to Bike Trails
AP on Yahoo ^ | 8/11/05 | Emily Johns - AP

Posted on 08/11/2005 10:20:18 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: NormsRevenge
Over a quarter of a trillion dollars for roads and trails... wow.
101 posted on 08/11/2005 12:39:50 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: RightWhale

Exactly!

We had a big fight over public easements on private property, since you will be named in a lawsuit if someone stubs their toe on your patch of land. We asked the county and state, how will you protect us from these types of lawsuits ? Their answer was, we can't. So we said then you'll have to buy the property too, whereupon they started to cry poor.

I had a neighbor farmer who was sued , along with the phone company, the electric company, and the state, when a yahoo went off the road and hit a utility pole on this farmer's land. The farmer was finally excused from the lawsuit, but not until after he paid his lawyer in excess of $10,000 for his defense.

Who needs the aggravation and expense ?


102 posted on 08/11/2005 12:41:42 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cinives

There is the principle, too. With a public access easement any yahoo can drive their bulldozer down there and if you don't like the noise and dust and complain they will whip out a hunting license or just start talking about their rights. This could all be clarified by either dedicating the easements or abandoning them. That would my first act as Pres if I ever accidently get that office. Rightwhale Executive Order #1. I have a plan for that afternoon, too. Doesn't hurt to be prepared.


103 posted on 08/11/2005 12:47:12 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: Teacher317
$286 billion falls between Saudi Arabia and Austria for global GDP...

33rd (of 232 nations) on the global list for 2004.

104 posted on 08/11/2005 12:53:30 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: SupplySider

Amen to every word you posted. I know exactly what you mean. Whenever someone passes me because I'm to far over to the right I'm always mad at myself for not taking the whole lane and making them treat me like a car.


105 posted on 08/11/2005 1:00:32 PM PDT by biblewonk (A house of cards built on Matt 16:18)
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To: biblewonk
I do a lot of my local errands by bike--post office, picking up bread, milk, dry cleaning, etc., using local bike paths. I can beat any car driver. By the time they find a parking space, put a quarter in the meter---I'm already home. My wife and I actually tested this two years ago--I beat her by 15 minutes without effort. Get some good exercise into the bargain. Our kids love bicycling.

We teach the kids to use the sidewalk, but pedestrians have their rights of way. Adults bicycle on the streets, and the only risk is idiots who swing open their car doors without looking. As a driver, I consider anyone who swings open a car door into traffic without looking to be an idiot.
106 posted on 08/11/2005 1:07:33 PM PDT by thomaswest
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To: cinives
and making it into a public trail would have denied me access to half of my land, access which was specifically permitted in the right-of-way contract with the railroad. The state was not going to compensate me for the loss of access to my land.

Thanks. In your case I understand. I believe in private property rights above all else.

107 posted on 08/11/2005 1:21:16 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: thomaswest
I do a lot of my local errands by bike--post office, picking up bread, milk, dry cleaning, etc., using local bike paths. I can beat any car driver. By the time they find a parking space, put a quarter in the meter---I'm already home. My wife and I actually tested this two years ago--I beat her by 15 minutes without effort. Get some good exercise into the bargain. Our kids love bicycling.

Ditto on all of that except that with 7 or our 8 kids still living at home we still have to use the car more than we'd like. But it's great that the kids learn at a young age that bikes are not toys but are tools for transportation. They love the independence they get without having to buy a car. We warn them a lot of the evils of owning a car and being a slave to payments, insurance, maintenance, gas prices and laziness.

We teach the kids to use the sidewalk, but pedestrians have their rights of way. Adults bicycle on the streets, and the only risk is idiots who swing open their car doors without looking. As a driver, I consider anyone who swings open a car door into traffic without looking to be an idiot.

Yes but as a biker, getting "doored" hurts, from what I hear. I have read that streets are safer than sidewalks but I know that to be dependent on the particular street vs the particular sidewalk.

108 posted on 08/11/2005 1:38:34 PM PDT by biblewonk (A house of cards built on Matt 16:18)
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To: cinives

yes


109 posted on 08/11/2005 1:41:34 PM PDT by q_an_a
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To: Fog Nozzle
making suggestions is compatable with conservative thought. finding ways to use space that has been put to rest is a great thing. like cleaning up brownfields from empty factories, there are ways to do it - some tests say a dirty factory field can be made whole by using clover. Maybe we can make the old railroad land whole by creating trails. it is worth a shot.

the internet was created by an experiment. we love it, but might not have been so thrilled when reading about it 15 years ago.

110 posted on 08/11/2005 1:46:04 PM PDT by q_an_a
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To: SupplySider

"Now I get a little bit out into the lane, forcing them to treat me like a car."

As one cyclist to another:

You are playing Russian Roullette, with total strangers. You have no idea, if one of them is nuts, and decides to run you down. Or simply doesn't see you.

I went through the stage where I was going to show those darn car drivers a thing or two. Show them we both were equally entitled to use the roads.

Then at some moment, rational thought kicked in. I asked myself what price I was willing to pay, to prove this point?

My bike and I reach nearly 200 lbs. Most vehicles these days exceed 3,000 lbs. Factoring in rate of travel, I am disadvantaged.

I use bike trails whenever possible. On streets I never press for my "equal entitlement."


111 posted on 08/11/2005 2:08:55 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: NormsRevenge


"FREE Government Money for EVERYBODY!"
112 posted on 08/11/2005 4:06:01 PM PDT by Kokojmudd (Outsource Federal Judiciary and US Senate to India, NOW!)
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To: cinives

Didn't work that way in Minnesota. This excerpt is from
http://www.mnbiketrails.com/main.asp?SectionID=22&SubSectionID=45&ArticleID=176&TM=34786.09

""Paul Bunyan Trail dispute settled
Court case overturned
Rail-to-Trails joined the fight

The Minnesota Supreme Court reversed the Court of Appeals in a landmark decision that significantly advances the cause of converting abandoned railroad lines into recreation trails.

The Supreme Court held in State of Minnesota vs. Hess et al that certain key properties included in the Paul Bunyan State Trail did not revert to the abutting property owners once the railroad line on which the trail was constructed ceased to be used for railroad purposes.""


113 posted on 08/11/2005 6:06:15 PM PDT by Fog Nozzle
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To: Fog Nozzle
“A right of way is not necessarily an easement, and there is no presumption in Minnesota law that a conveyance for railroad right of way purposes creates an easement,” said Peter Seed, lead attorney for the Parks & Trails Council.

No it seems the conditions were different. My deed, and those of the others affected in my situation, were specifically an easement. In PA, however, we had to prove that the railroad had formally completed the abandonment process before we could reclaim the right-of-way.

It seems like these people should challenged the 1947 law to be a taking, or should file suit against their title companies, to get redress. Not being a lawyer, I don't know if any of that is feasible, however.

114 posted on 08/12/2005 6:53:02 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: q_an_a

Why are you on a conservative web site ?


115 posted on 08/12/2005 6:58:43 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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