Concealed carry debate heating up again (WI)

The La Crosse Tribune ^ | August 11, 2005 | DAN SPRINGER

[Puppage]

Shilling said more guns would not improve safety, especially for law enforcement officers

Want a safe job? DON'T BE A POLICE OFFICER!

[NRA1995]

I can see where the probability of reduced crime rates would create a slippery slope....../sarcasm

[goldstategop]

The liberal police chief bosses in Wisconsin are trotting out all the horseworn arguments against CCW. Never mind there has been no bloodbath in neighboring Minnesota. Why, we just can't trust average armed folks not to shoot cops! snort>

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[GrandEagle]

police chiefs are more united against the proposal than ever before.

Aren't most police chiefs appointed? Funny how appointed law enforcement officers seem to oppose CC and elected officials (like our Sheriff) seem to be in favor of it.

[newgeezer]

Image courtesy FReeper jdege's gun-nuttery.com.

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State Rep. Jennifer Shilling, D-La Crosse, who spoke out strongly against the concealed carry bill

Isaiah 3:12 ping.

[clee1]

The threat to law enforcement by CCW holders is a myth. Why? Because we are law abiding.

I was pulled over last week, because my window tint appears to be too dark. (Its not in violation of the law, but it IS close, and I have been pulled over several times for it). As soon as the blue lights went on, I pulled over immediately and shut off the engine. Before the officer was out of his car, I had rolled down my dark window and placed my hands on the window ledge. As the officer approached, I called out "Good evening, Officer. I have a concealed firearm."

The officer stopped just behind the door pillar (like they are supposed to), and asked "Where is your firearm?" I told him that it was under my shirt in the small of my back, where I always carry. He asked me to hand him my pistol, and didn't seem to be overly concerned. I did as he asked, and he placed it on the roof of my truck.

He asked politely for my driver's license, insurance, and CCW. He tested my tinting with that little device they have, handed me back my documents and pistol, and bid me "Good evening, sir" after thanking me for the way I dealt with the stop and my firearm.

Police have absolutely nothing to fear from law-abiding citizens with CCW's.

[blackie]

We've had no blodbath in Oregon either and we've had CCW for years!

I never leave home without mine!

Be Ever Vigilant!

[steve-b]

I can see where the probability of reduced crime rates would create a slippery slope

Yeah -- it makes it hard for the police chiefs to demand higher budgets.

[GrandEagle]

I never leave home without mine!

I know what you mean. I travel around quite a bit and from time to time I end up in states that do not honor our permit, New York in particular. I feel like I forgot to put on socks or something.
Here in Alabama we have been carrying ever since we have been a state I guess. The only "bloodbath" we have seen is from time to time we end up with a dead burglar.

Cordially,
GE

[paul51]

Any person on the taxpayers payroll that doesn't support responsible and law abiding citizens right to protect themselves and their families should be summarily dismissed and removed from office. Politicians, LEO, judges, anyone.

[Moral Hazard]

"Data indicates states that added concealed carry policies did not seen crime go down, Kulik said. "

Wow, this is a nice reversal of the idea of a trade-off between liberty and security. Now you can't have liberty unless it actually increases security!

[Puppage]

Never mind there has been no bloodbath in neighboring Minnesota

And, Vermont where you need no permit at all to carry concealed.

[GrandEagle]

Police have absolutely nothing to fear from law-abiding citizens with CCW's.

I also let them know that I am carrying. I have never had them ask for my weapon but, like you, have never had one seen even slightly concerned that I was armed.

I even got out with an officer once (at his bidding), stepped to the rear of the car, and we discussed the events that led up to me being pulled over. (I was speeding)
Had my .45 on my hip under my suit coat.
While I did take extra pains not to present myself as a threat, the officer didn't seem concerned at all.

GE

[2nd amendment mama]

Ping...

[Just another Joe]

Shilling said more guns would not improve safety, especially for law enforcement officers who won't know if someone might have a gun.

LEOs don't know if you're carrying a gun NOW!

Any law abiding concealed carry citizen will inform a LEO, when first approached, that they are carrying concealed.

[clee1]

Me either. I don't even go to Church unarmed.

[clee1]

I had never been asked to surrender my weapon before, either.

However, this officer was quite young, and I'd never met him before (I know the majority of the police in my county). I was only too happy to comply with his request.

A .45??? I have one, but am too small a fellow to conceal it well. My Bersa .380 with glasers will just have to do in a pinch. :)

[blackie]

Roger that GrandEagle!

Molon Labe!

[blackie]

Molon Labe!