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To: Polybius
I see that you are fond of statistics:
According to a 2000 National Academy of Sciences report, medical errors cause more than 98,000 deaths a year
44,000 to 98,000 deaths annually from medical errors (Institute of Medicine)

These stats are secondary to my point, it seems like you have a problem with people questioning MD's or getting second opinions.

Furthermore the link I provided there is credible information that the girl no longer had Hodgkin's.

The original case that started the thread the doctor was wrong the girl did not have meningitis yet she was kidnapped from her parents and forced to undergo a procedure that has the potential to cause death or disability and you think this is ok.

So answer me truthfully is it ego, fear of lawsuit, or genuine concern for patients that make you feel like someone who makes an informed decision against a MD's wishes deserves to have their children kidnapped under the color of law? I think that if a parent is refusing treatment that will in a acute setting result in death rapidly if immediate intervention is not preformed than there are some rare cases where MD's should intervene preforming a LP after a child's symptoms have lessened is not one of them, taking your child to a different doctor for a second opinion for treatment of Hogdkin's is not one I don't think either of us are going to agree so I will leave it at that.
94 posted on 08/10/2005 10:33:14 PM PDT by vrwc0915
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To: vrwc0915
I see that you are fond of statistics: According to a 2000 National Academy of Sciences report, medical errors cause more than 98,000 deaths a year 44,000 to 98,000 deaths annually from medical errors (Institute of Medicine)

There is a difference between scientific data and statistics.

"Statistics", like political "push polls" can be fudged by manipulating how you define what your are loking for.

For example, in the often quote Left-wing claim that the Iraq War "killed 100,000 Iraqi civilians", statisticians took Saddam era claims of pre-war civilian death rates, compared them to a death rate they calculated themselves and then came up with the "excess deaths caused by the Iraq War" even thought their post-war numbers even included Uncle Mohammed slipping in the bathtub and breaking his neck.

The death rate data for untreated meningitis is different.

There are no word games played with those numbers. As I posted before, back when meningitis was untreatable, the number of dead bodies almost equalled the number of cases.

Having you change the subject with statistics along the lines of "The Iraq War and Bush killed 100,000 Iraqi civilians" tin-foil hat "statistics" claims won't chage that.

These stats are secondary to my point, it seems like you have a problem with people questioning MD's or getting second opinions.

The second or thirty fifth or one thousanth or twenty thousanth medical opinion will be that untreated meningitis approaches a 100% mortality rate.

That is not a "statistic. That is a cold, hard scietific fact.

The Courts recognize that scietific fact just as the Courts recognize that we no longer need to get "second opinions" as to the scientific fact that leaving an infant locked in a car in the summer heat with an internal temperature of 120 degrees will kill the infant.

That is why a recent FR thread reported how a mother was arrested when she decided she was not going to allow fireman to break her car window to get her locked infant but preferred to go home and get her car keys instead.

When medical treatment may or may not help or may cause as much harm as good, the Courts will allow parents to choose.

However, when it comes to such things as treating Hodkin's Lymphoma..........100% death rate without treatment.........85% survival rate with treatment...........The Courts will NOT allow you to condemn your child to death because you have a bee in your bonnet about modern medicine.

Likewise, no Court in the U.S. will allow you or any other parent to subject your child to a 5% to 10% risk of certain death in order to avoid a 0.3% risk of complications.

As an adult, you are perfectly free, through ignorance, to commit suicide.

However, the Courts will not allow, through ignorance, to kill your child.

96 posted on 08/11/2005 9:28:24 AM PDT by Polybius
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