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BULLETIN >> U.S. FEDERAL DEFICIT SHRINKS TO $53 BLN IN JULY
Dow Jones Big Charts.MarketWatch.com ^ | 8/10/05 | Rex Nutting, MarketWatch

Posted on 08/10/2005 11:15:11 AM PDT by SierraWasp

BULLETIN >> U.S. FEDERAL DEFICIT SHRINKS TO $53 BLN IN JULY


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: busheconomy; deficit; thebusheconomy; wgids
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To: expat_panama

yah, I dunno. If I had less money, but no debt, I'd be happy.


221 posted on 08/10/2005 4:23:25 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: curiosity
I've been hearing "we're-in-trouble-in-ten-years" since the 1960s. I agree we have unfunded liabilities, but Bush most certainly HAS attempted to fix SS and received only grief for it.

He screwed up on Medicare, absolutely.

And the problem with "long term" effects of debt is that there are just too many economic variables long term: in the Clinton years, he raised taxes and got a boom . . . because the price of oil was VERY low; computers began to drive productivity up everywhere; and a vast new market opened in Eastern Europe. Clinton had nothing to do with any of that, but it certainly minimized the entire U.S. fiscal policy.

222 posted on 08/10/2005 4:27:28 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: expat_panama
I thought it was pretty cool but I suck at balancing a Federal budget. lol
223 posted on 08/10/2005 4:29:31 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (The alternative media is our Enigma machine.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
And Bush started the war?

He made the case for it. He led the charge for it. He has been the commander in chief of it. We've been fighting Saddam half-heartedly for some time now. Looking back, there had been talk back in the Clinton days of taking him out. But then, the Clinton crew were a bunch of petty thugs, so I don't know what that's worth. Blair certainly upped what he was willing to do since the 90s. But GW is definitely the one who led the final charge to war. No question about that.

224 posted on 08/10/2005 4:39:53 PM PDT by Huck (Whatever.)
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To: expat_panama

The gubmint hasn't "got" any money. It has to take it from us. I'd prefer we didn't provide the beast with quite as much leverage as you apparantly want to. But judging from your screenname, maybe when you're spending US taxpayer money (or leveraging debt against it,) it's not your money?


225 posted on 08/10/2005 4:42:14 PM PDT by Huck (Whatever.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

I know what you're saying about Reagan. He used to blame the Congress for the spending. Well the GOP doesn't have that excuse anymore. Reagan walked the walk. I recall his initial budgets and some reforms he wanted to enact had not a prayer back in those days. Can you imagine in your wildest dream Ronald Reagan proposing and enacting a huge prescription drug entitlement added on to Medicare?


226 posted on 08/10/2005 4:44:30 PM PDT by Huck (Whatever.)
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To: expat_panama
the annual budget deficit (how much we think we'll change what we owe)

The budget deficit refers to actual changes in the debt, not what we think the changes will be. Budget deficit projections refer to the what we think the changes will be.

But say what you will about "what they've done for the past four years", I for one am sure glad that we're not talking about something Gore & Kerry did for the past four years.

The Republicans in Congress would have forced Gore and Kerry to maintain fiscal discipline, just as (or even more effectively than) they forced Clinton to do so. When there's a Republican in the White House, they give him a free pass on all that.

227 posted on 08/10/2005 4:45:38 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: LS
And the problem with "long term" effects of debt is that there are just too many economic variables long term: in the Clinton years, he raised taxes and got a boom . . . because the price of oil was VERY low; computers began to drive productivity up everywhere; and a vast new market opened in Eastern Europe. Clinton had nothing to do with any of that, but it certainly minimized the entire U.S. fiscal policy.

I agree with that. What it really means is that the US economy doesn't care too much if the top rate is 36 or 39. The big hoopla about the Bush tax cuts is kind of overdone. It was pretty small.

228 posted on 08/10/2005 4:46:44 PM PDT by Huck (Whatever.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Nice attempt at hijacking the thread with irrelevancies.
229 posted on 08/10/2005 4:46:51 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: inquest

That's why what the country really needs is for the socialists to be purged from the democrat party. they need the bill clinton/bill richardson types to be the left. with the zell millers and the joe liebermans on the right. that party would actually compete with the GOP on the battlefield of ideas. Right now we have two irreconcilable parties, which actually liberates both from accountability. They really have very little competition because so few ppl would be able to vote for either/or. They are too far apart. And yet the dims got 48% so maybe I am totally off base. I feel like there is no way to exert pressure on the GOP, with the dims so far out to lunch, and I find that very frustrating. It doesnt feel like a two party system. It feels like a one party system. It's like, you can choose DSL or Cable, but you can't choose the provider. the primary system is totally not working.


230 posted on 08/10/2005 4:50:59 PM PDT by Huck (Whatever.)
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To: Huck

so whupteedo?

The President ran for re-election on the basis of cutting the deficit in half over the next four years. This was a realistic promise, given the very tough times we found ourselves in during the early 2000s. His opponent made the same promise regarding the deficit, but that promise made no sense since his opponent also promised massive increases in spending.

It looks like, in year 1 of 4, we will bring the deficit down from a bit more than $400B to bit less than $350 and, so, we are on track. The deficit is being reduced by a growing economy; that is, we are growing our way out of the deficit. Spending is rising by about the rate of GDP growth, while revenues are surging by somewhat more than twice that.

It would, in my opinion, be better if we could actually cut federal spending. But, until we start withdrawing from Iraq, I don't think that is realistic. Once we do start withdrawing from Iraq next year, we will move from an o.k. fiscal position to a very strong fiscal position, with a balanced budget, or maybe a surplus.


231 posted on 08/10/2005 4:53:02 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: So Cal Rocket
For all of 2005, the CBO currently expects a deficit of less than $350 billion, with the agency scheduled to make public an updated forecast next Monday. The White House forecast a deficit of $333 billion.

The Bureau of Public Debt shows that the deficit for this fiscal year is already $503 billion dollars .

I don't see the feds netting $150 billion over the next two months to make up the difference.

It looks like they are cooking the books with these numbers just like they are with inflation, GDP, and employment.

232 posted on 08/10/2005 4:57:09 PM PDT by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: inquest
The budget deficit refers to actual changes in the debt, not what we think the changes will be. Budget deficit projections refer to the what we think the changes will be.

That is incorrect. The budget deficit refers to this years budget difference between revenues and expenditures.

233 posted on 08/10/2005 5:17:48 PM PDT by simon says what
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To: Huck
They are too far apart.

Interesting, I consider them too close together. Both want to spend, spend, spend.

234 posted on 08/10/2005 5:21:38 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: simon says what
And if expenditures exceed revenues, and we're in debt, won't that just make us more in debt by that amount?
235 posted on 08/10/2005 5:22:43 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Huck

"When you're heading for a cliff, it's not "negativity" to recommend a course correction."

According to you, reducing the deficit means a course correction is needed.

I will not be taking any financial advice from you.


236 posted on 08/10/2005 5:22:46 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: inquest
And if expenditures exceed revenues, and we're in debt, won't that just make us more in debt by that amount?

No... this is another way the government keeps from us the true size of their spending. The deficit number refers to on-budget items. Certain off-budget items such as Social Security are not incorporated into this number. We have been running a surplus for Social Security for decades. The government throws this money into the general revenues and issues debt against it. This lowers the actual deficit but increases the debt. Our government's accounting would be considered criminal if used by any corporation or individual.

Good description here: What is the difference between the debt and the deficit?

237 posted on 08/10/2005 5:29:05 PM PDT by simon says what
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To: Redmen4ever

Ok fine. You convinced me.


238 posted on 08/10/2005 5:38:58 PM PDT by Huck (Whatever.)
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To: simon says what
Well, I understand that there are two "debts" that get talked about. There's the "publicly held" portion and the portion that's based on trust funds such as Social Security (and then of course there's the total of the two). The first is the one that gets quoted all the time, and that's the one whose changes are defined by (what gets reported as) the deficit.

Do I have that right?

239 posted on 08/10/2005 5:39:22 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: simon says what

ouch.


240 posted on 08/10/2005 5:39:38 PM PDT by Huck (Whatever.)
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